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Wiring radiator fans directly from battery, improved electronics and cooling

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  1. Aerosurfer

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    The radiator fan circuit is a known weak point on 512TR/512M and several other 90s era Ferraris. Fan cycling is known to make the electrical demands leading up to arching and fuse-board delamination and damage over time. Its not a question of if it will happen, but when and to what severity.

    We have a similar issue with the 456 and 550 for which I have recently started producing a 'no-cut' / 'no-splice' fan relay harness which bypasses this known weak-point and keeps the factory wiring intact. My harness takes the power load off of the fuse board circuitry and runs the radiator fans directly from the Battery/Alternator circuit via new 70a relays. The original relays and wiring become the trigger point on the new components.

    Recently, I had the opportunity to develop a similar harness for the late model US 512TR and F512M (Engine 32438 and up, see diagram 53). On the later 512TR there is a perfect spot to tap positive power via the terminal box on the front of the engine. Running my fused harness to new relays on the oil cooler and then out to each fan connecting using stock components, with grounding points on the chassis nearby. Most importantly this can be done with the engine in, and with basic tools and keeps stock wiring intact. Again, no permanent modifications were made to the car. On the front engine cars at least, most have found improved fan operation resulting in quicker cooling cycles as well. Lengthy discussion has been talked about it on this thread: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/550-engine-cooling-improved.622609/

    The logic is similar on earlier TR models as well as V8 cars of the era. I am hoping to gather continued interest on other models and try to make them available. I am excited to report the prototype harness in place on the 512TR worked flawlessly. It went on a US model car with no oil cooler fan, so space was easier, but adapting a 3rd relay for the oil cooler circuit would be very doable as well.

    Would love to hear thoughts or critiques to hopefully bring these to the Flat 12 platform. Instead of rewiring large swaths of the car's electrical, I am removing one of the higher electric demands from the equation. In lieu of a complete electrical overhaul my harness contributes to, not solves, with a non-invasive solution. Coupled with a few modern options now available for plug and play fuse board replacement, it’s enough to make the electical systems safe and reliable again. At this point its a working prototype and proof of concept.

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    Ricambi has been carrying my current version for a few months. Not wanting to turn this into a push for classifieds, so you can search for 'AS1 456/550 cooling harness' for enhanced description as well. I have designed these to be aestheticly camouflaged when installed, yet functional and safe with regard to components.

    Link to my YouTube video with install and electrical theory thoughts.

     
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  2. Auraraptor

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    Invaluable mod for all TR/512TR/512M. Thank you for your hard work/investigation.
     
  3. theunissenguido

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    Great idea Nick !
     
  4. Aerosurfer

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    Thanks Guido! Have already done your board in my car as well
     
  5. Aerosurfer

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  6. Steve Magnusson

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    My TR notes have it as an Anderson PP120 Powerpole Connector:

    https://www.andersonpower.com/us/en/shop/wire-to-wire/powerpole/powerpole-120.html

    With sources:

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  7. Rifledriver

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    While your fix does have its advantages in the past most modifications take place at the relay panel and for a good reason. TR and TR512 have 5 known problem circuits. Both radiator fans, both fuel pumps and the main A/C power. Addressing the issue at the board allows a single site repair for all 5
     
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  8. EDoug

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    Aerosurfer, this red power disconnect is shown in post #307 on page 13 of 15 in the Testarossa cross reference thread. EDoug
     
  9. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    Same concept with headlights.

    I have relays on the headlights on all of my analog cars. No more running the power thru the switch.
     
  10. kartboy1234

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    Still need to do that, for now I'm just running LED bulbs to cut down on power draw.

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  11. theunissenguido

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    Nick, you are a wise man ! Your car will be good for an other 40 years ...:)
     
  12. Aerosurfer

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    And that has been one of my thoughts and counterpoints to rewiring the entire front of the car. As RD pointed out, as have others I have been in discussion with, there are still numerous high draw and separate circuits. By adding a separate relay board you can take care of all of them at once. It’s a sound solution, one major electrical overhaul and done. But now with your fuseboard and few other similar fuseboard solutions being mentioned, is it necessary to still separate out the high draw items? Having 4 or more fan circuits on the flat 12 cars, I can see how my approach from the front engine cars (only 2 total fans) doesn’t exactly reverse engineer as effectively. It works, but does it do enough to help the overall stock electrical?

    I also approached the original design, with the ‘next owner’ or new shop in mind. On an old VW bus I had to un-fu*ck all the previous owners hack wiring, while still figuring out what was done. Once I redid it to stock form, I found everything worked with good grounds and new ends.
    Not having to figure out what’s going on or what’s been changed when troubleshooting or disassembling was very important.

    For cars competing in concourse, can judging go that deep looking over electrical? Same question as more of these cars begin to go for Classiche. Granted I can also see the irony, in trying to tell you to put a random harness in the engine bay, but mine can be reverted to stock form if necessary
     
  13. Rifledriver

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    My TR has all 5 of the known trouble circuits taken off the main board through a second set of relays mounted behind it.Unless the panel door is opened it is all hidden. Likewise I am about to do a considerable modification to the HVAC fan speed control and it will all be hidden. It is Classiche Certified, national Platino winning and won the National Preservation Award a few years ago. Quality, well thought out and hidden fixes bother no one.
    As a Honors level national concours judge I can tell you few restored vintage Ferraris are really stock. The key is to hide your modifications, not put them out there for everyone to see. That turns off everyone.
     
  14. Aerosurfer

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    Point taken well said, thank you
     
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    Brian, will you share what the modification will be to your HVAC fan speed controller?

    Jeff
     
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    Brian @Rifledriver - when you said "main A/C power" circuit above, do you mean the compressor clutch circuit, or the A/C fan circuit?

    My 512TR is a Swiss model so also has an oil cooler fan, would you suggest bypassing that circuit as well?

    Curious what you plan to modify on the HVAC fan speed control..
     
  17. Rifledriver

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    #17 Rifledriver, Jun 8, 2023
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    I discussed it in a previous thread on the subject. Its obvious putting the transistor in the air duct is not providing enough cooling. I bought a large heat sink, will mill out some fins, mount the transistor there. The opposite side will have a 2x2 pancake fan much like used in computers and powered by the fan circuit all mounted on standoffs on the bottom of the passengers side floor plate at the electrical bay. Wire and connect with a plug so it can be unplugged and removed easily for work in the footwell.
     
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  18. theunissenguido

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    Most of us know it is important to take car of the positive power lines (a bit overkill want hurt !)...but even more important are the negative connections. And for sure on Ferrari with the lesser quality steel used, the badly welded structure overal and bad ground connections it is needed to look after this also.
     
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    Aerosurfer: Thanks for the effort. I would like one of those harnesses. My LH radiator don`t turn itself on ( but works when separately powered). But I guess you are not finished with the sale-ready 512 TR harness, yet? If you bother then please mail me when finished. [email protected]
     
  20. Aerosurfer

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    Hey Jan thanks for reaching out, I will follow up in a separate email in a day or so and we can work something up, i have some questions about your cars current status

    Nick
     
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    Hi again, I bought a fuseboard from Guido and all electrical problems went away. The left fan didn`t turn on. But now it does. The fuel gauge worked 50 % of the time. Now it works all the time. The starter motor worked maybe 50 % of the time. Now it works like a charm even when the engine is superhot.
    So conclusion: The original fuseboard is crap and the cause of many issues. I believe every TR owner at some point must replace it.
    Best tip ever for a happy TR life!!
     
  22. Grease Donkey

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    Dissent. :D

    The stock fusebox is fine, but old electrical motors in fuel pumps and fans draw too much current.

    Replace these, clean the contacts in the fusebox and you will be fine.

    Parts for fuel pumps and fans are a total of approx 500$. Labor maybe 6h.

    A cheaper, faster and thus better solution. :)

    .... now over to the fusebox swappers...:rolleyes:
     
  23. Aerosurfer

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    #23 Aerosurfer, Sep 23, 2024
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    I would not agree that at this point in time all original fuseboards are fine. They may have been 'adequate' during production, but as the cars have aged so has this component.

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    When I swapped mine, the difference between original and replacement (@theunissenguido) is profound.

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  24. Aerosurfer

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    Just remembered this thread is on the TR/512 forum.... my car and pictures are from my 456 board. It's the same issues on the 456 and 550 platform and we have even less fans and various components that need attention to, i consider board (or a modified electrical solution) just another component that needs upgrading or routine monitoring
     
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  25. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    So the stock fuse panel is fine, it just can't handle the stock fuel pumps and fans....
     

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