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Discussion in 'General Automotive Discussion' started by NeuroBeaker, Dec 12, 2011.
That these specific Dunlops afford this specific time advantage over OEMs? Then I'm lacking common knowledge . . .
Don't be too hard on yourself!
It's hard not to be when I don't know the specific impact a specific tire has on a specific car, one that's barely started to arrive in showrooms. (Makes me wonder why a major magazine would bother making a video about it.)
I know what you mean.
I read today a release before 2014 would be unliklely.
This is REALLY bugging me.....now almost 44% say they wouldn't even consider the car (which has been critically aclaimed globally) because its a Toyota!!!....WTF??....is this the reason the car was released in the US as a Scion?....I would like to hear the rationale from those voting this way.
Don't get me wrong, Ferrari is my marque of choice and I love mine.....but the 86/BRZ/FR-S is an outstanding car for the money IMO and I just don't understand this particular negative bias.
Seems rather odd to me aswell but to each their own. I might call my buddy who is one of the owners of a local Toyota dealership and ask if I can test drive one. As a past owner of an AE86 I would like to see how much it resembles and differs from from the original.
Have any pics or renderings of the planned roadster been released or leaked?
I like it and it reminds me of the California Spyder.
"It is unknown at this stage when the Toyota convertible will hit the showrooms. A production version is in the works but not yet confirmed for production, according to the German car magazine. It is also unknown if a convertible will be offered for the Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S versions."
I am quite the literal person so I read this as there will be a 3rd version offered under the Toyota name ie the roadster?
It was announced today that a convertible will never be released in the USA, most other markets should be getting it.
In other news, I'm having serious doubts on my colour choice. I ordered silver but for some reason I'm drawn to red now but I'd hate to own a red car there are far too many.
Silver shows the lines and curves off, no other colour does that IMO.
This ad is cool...
That's it, I'm getting one sooner or later. Best daily sportscar on the market AFAIK, everything else is too heavy, too big for spirited drives on the local roads, too expensive, too compromised or without a manual transmission option.
What bothers me are all the **** journalists that test these cars. I've seen tons of YouTube clips trying to get what kind of driving experience these cars actually deliver. So far I've heard everything from "Power could be more of" vs. "Engine pulls good all through", "Some noticeable bodyroll" vs. "No significant bodyroll at all", "Cheap cabin" vs. "Well put together" and so on and so on.
Also seen those who can't pull of a drift in the dry and claim it's hard to do vs. Chris Harris and the like who would go sideways in every corner.
The only thing I really dislike about these cars is the red digital clock in the center console. So, so, so outdated. Doesn't look right under the navigation screen AT ALL.
Here's a racer's impression of the car. Reading these few paragraphs, you wouldn't necessarily assume that he'd draw the conclusion he did:
His run at Laguna:
Earlier in the same piece:
Thanks for sharing, I'm definitely going with the BRZ. I need to test drive it.
I'm dying to know more about that dual charge kit I posted about earlier in this thread, as well as what Litchfield will offer.
I love mine.
The digital clock is ridiculous, and I wish they hadn't included it. Not only does it not look right, it's also not color matched to the rest of the interior lights (gauges/nav/etc).
Just to give an update on mine, I've got just under 3000 miles on it so far and it's still a blast to drive. As for the negatives, there are a couple of areas that are giving off some very noticeable rattles that I haven't tried to fix up yet. Additionally my dealership currently has a new navigation and third brake light on order for me. It appears the third brake light never worked in the first place, and the navigation has some stuck pixels on the screen (there shouldn't be green and blue visualizations, this isn't windows media player). The navigation also loses satellite signal quite often, but allegedly there is a fix in the works for that to move the gps antenna, apparently they placed it too close to the unit itself.
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Some prefer the Scion version's handling as it's more lively; Tetsuya Tada, chief engineer for the Scion, claims that "his first love is a car that can be steered by the throttle . . ." and the UK model at lest reflects that mindset.
I don't know if it's the same in the US, but according to evo the only difference between the two are the spring rates. The fronts are softer than the BRZ's while the rears are stiffer. So going from one set up to the other, while not dirt cheap, is neither prohibitively expensive nor complicated.
Just to pick up on some handling quotes here:
I'm a little confused. Wouldn't "more lively" be a descriptor for a car that is more tail happy and likely to oversteer? That seems at odds with the review that claims the Subaru is "less likely to understeer" than the Scion.
So, in comparison to the Subaru, are the Scion's handling characteristics more naturally included to induce "safe"/dull understeer or exciting oversteer?
All the best,
Also... a new video. Found it in here:
Other Cars > General Automotive Discussion > "Chris Harris compares GT86, 370Z and a well used Cayman S."
And this is it embedded:
A pretty enjoyable watch.
All the best,
After watching that video it reminded me of all the Top Gear episodes I have watched and I am still wondering why "ZED" is spoken in reference to any car model with a Z monocure, its annoying.
Could it be a UK based speach impediment such as.............
Sowwy I digwessed.
That was great thanks
Probably also answered your previous question. The Subaru's front springs being stiffer may offer better "bite" on turn in and therefore less likely to understeer, but it doesn't mean the 86 is a boring understeerer.......just a little different, moves around a bit more at both ends I suspect (the yaw CH mentioned?).
The yaw seems to describe what's going on pretty accurately. However, I'm still a bit confused that one reviewer would describe the Scion is "prone to understeer", while the Scion engineer was describing their version as "more lively". The statements still seem contradictory.
All the best,
Yeah, it's confusing, which kind of goes to werewolf's point that impressions of these cars vary from test to test, journalist to journalist.
By "lively" I most certainly meant that the car brings the rear out easily, which is how I interpreted "steered on the throttle . . . "
Here's the relevant text from evo #171, pages 46 and 47:
The piece makes a few more important points, but I don't want to quote the entire thing out of respect for the copyright.
I hope this helped.
(Does anyone know if the UK-Euro cars have the same suspension as those destined for the US?)