Will the 12 Cilindri really be the last of a long line of Ferrari V12 masterpieces?

Not the last. In CA would buy out of state & import, but, CA may not be a resident state even sooner.

 

I thought Day355 said no more development of the v12. He said this one barely got through when Vigna took over..

The CA thing… I have a suspicion they may not allow registration of ICE cars after a certain yr..

 

Net Zero is a made-up fantasy incompatible with the laws of thermodynamics and physics, what's unfortunate is that we will have to suffer quite a lot before this is realized I fear. Hopefully someone at Ferrari knows this too and will not pull the plug on the V12 while we are in this interim period of nonsense. At the least, I imagine a V12 hybrid in a serious production car could be made compliant with existing and future regs. Major cities banning ICE is something I wouldn't give a second thought to, if that even comes to fruition on a mass scale it certainly won't last long. I would not rebuild an entire car company and throw out nearly a century of heritage to appease 4-6 cities on the entire planet. I hope the leadership of Ferrari feels the same...

 

Vigna wanted to cancel the car all together and focus on new tech. I am pretty sure this is the last V12 with no assistance, if not last V12 car all together outside of extremely limited unobtainium. Unpredictable EU regulations play a huge part. I can't see Ferrari developing a new engine from the F140 in the current state of things, it's financial madness from an R&D perspective.

 

Absolutely. Very probably the last brand new, unassisted, V12 ICE front engined serial production Ferrari car

Maybe some icona limited run models , but no successor to that one IMO

A successor , considering Ferrari replacement time for new model, between 5 and 7 years, that would mean a A brand new model featuring a ICE engine develloped in the early 2000's in ... 2030. IMPOSSIBLE

 

EU will fall apart because of regulation madness.
Nations will recover their sovereignty painfully after that.
Everything is possible.

 

By that time current technology will be considered superior in every way to the "ancient" V12 and the tech, marketing and economists at a publicly listed company will not accept any route back to it.

 

Didn't they fire most of the V12 development team including Leiters? Pretty sure Day355 mentioned that the C12 barely made it past being cancelled by Vigna, so unless they've done a corporate 180 recently, I believe there's a good possibility of it being the last non-Icona V12 Ferrari, yes.

But as already mentioned, EU is constantly shifting, delaying and revising the regulations, so who knows

 

Population in France is becoming poorer and poorer.
French state is crushed by a debt that will not allow it to subsidize electric cars in the future.
How are people going to get around?
Once again, the technocrats will face reality.

 

As in my previous comment, the Vigna rumour about him wanting the 12 Cilindri cancelled is true according to several sources within the factory. Vigna doesn't consider Ferrari a car manufacturer; it's a tech company.

 

Sounds like he's trying to adopt the Elon Musk ethos with "Tesla doesn't make cars, we make AI/Software/Whatever his latest thing is, and the cars are a biproduct of it". How sad.

 

Search up his guest appearance on the podcast for the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund, you'll hear it in his own words.

 

I think you can look at Ferrari’s history as being a tech company, in the sense the engines were the technology of the time. Thats what people bought, as Enzo Ferrari himself said- he sells you the engine and throws in the car for free. I think that is still true today.

I think thats still why people buy the cars. And I think eventually they will realize this. The question is whether or not they have a V12 non hybrid in the production lineup or if it’s going to be only at Icona level. I think it’s very likely the latter. But you never know.


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Would be odd for them to name a car the 12 cylinder only to come out with another imo…

 

Dodici Cilindri PS (Parte Seconda, Cerca 2029)

 

they had another Ferrari branded-car pretty quickly after “LaFerrari” should have ended it all

When you step back, “F12berlinetta” is not that much different than 12 Cilindri Spider.

As to the OP, I expect them to exploit this new chassis with these main cars, a VS for both, a few Icona and SP super VIP cars and then perhaps add hybridization… but a mid cycle refresh of an “M” or “T” would also be par for the course.

 

https://www.motor1.com/news/719031/bugatti-v16-engine-details/

Aston and Lambo still keep the V12 models. And now such rumors from Bugatti.
So why does Ferrari want to give up their heart?

It seems to me that people do not need numbers of dynamics and power, but emotions. Look at the 911GT3...
And create a work of art with the new lets say 3.0 V12 for around 500HP, manual gearbox and weight up to 1300 kg.

 

They will do a VS version.

 

Ferrari as a tech company would be good news; currently it's more driven towards being a "luxury company" - meaning it's going to be all about fashion, hype and overpricing, so that the customers feel important to show off with their new Ferrari... driving becoming completely irrelevant.

 

What a sad transition. Definitely not what I would want. So much for the car passion.

 

If the electrification is a huge commercial failure, they will quickly change their mind believe me..

 

Missed the point completely

 

All this nay-saying is amusing. Ferrari remains a car company to the core. They produce the best sports cars and race in the most important racing categories worldwide.

 

My own speculation is they will keep the V12 going. Maybe they will need to add hybrid into the mix?