I have see these decade old cars appreciate https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/e5bf64f3-8e28-48ae-a1a2-bf644b37699b?aff=share_other https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/6c81744a-f865-4d3f-8fe4-a9941dae8ed6?aff=share_other I can’t believe they are close to $300k for nicer ones. You can get a 488 spider for the same price or even less. But yeah I know the turbo sound of the 488 doesn’t sound as nice as the 458. But newer tech and nicer exterior for about the same price. Anyone think prices of 458 will continue to appreciate?
Unfortunately for the 488, which is a great car in its own right, it appears that the market will prefer the 458 and then F8 the most over time. To the lay person the differences are subtle, but to me they drive quite differently. Despite the lower power, there is something easier and more assuring to push with the 458, the linear powerband builds confidence.
I’ve seen videos but personally have not driven any of the two. 458 seems to be easier to drive on a regular basis. But the premium they command right now. Time will tell.
Pre pandemic the 458's weren't "cheap" either. The prices have come down from the pandemic high, but not much. Over the past few years, I have spoken to Ferrari dealers and well established exotic dealerships and all have said the same thing; they sell the 458's quickly when they come in. I purchased my 2013 Spider in 2017 and could probably sell it for what I paid. Keep in mind that mine had a MSRP of $393k so it is well equipped. Now, there will be some cars that sit because of various reasons (color combination, low options, etc.), but the 458 seems to be a car that many are looking for. Just my .02 and only my .02....
458 was a high watermark, never to be repeated. Prices will not go down, and if anything, may continue going up for nice examples, which are getting harder and harder to find.
Nobody should buy a spider anyway This being said, since clearly people buying spiders don't care about driving (putting up with marshmallow body flex) no wonder most of them have no interest in the better performance of the 488. The F8 is still a little step up from the 488, but currently the price difference is excessive; it will probably adjust in the future.
We got it 488 owners your car performs better, you don't have to ruin every thread with your insecurities just go enjoy your better performance.
While you're indeed correct that the spiders certainly aren't nearly as rigid as the coupes, it's hard to really care much when the limits of even the 458 spider are so incredibly high. For what I use this for at least (100% street driving) I'll gladly give up the 20-30% rigidity for the open top experience. If I had a track to go to I'd just get a dedicated track car. Hell, honestly, Ferraris have never been the best "driver's cars" anyways. We like to think that is true as an idea but Ferraris have never been the car that would produce the best lap times or give the most raw/thrilling/direct driving experience.
Indeed, no car can be perfect for everything - it's always a balance between (sometimes conflicting) goals. It's interesting to dig into the characteristics of a model, because then one could define his assessment and appreciation based on his own priorities and preferences.
Exactly I think your original assessment was on point that owners of spiders don't really care about the absolute performance. Short of S2000s and Mazda MX5s, no one really goes picks the drop top if they plan to track/race the thing. Even for spirited driving on the street if you have canyons/mountain passes though I'd be impressed (and scared for you) if you can really notice and appreciate the differences between a drop top and hard top 458. After all, Ferrari themselves claim the difference between Spider and coupe on a 458 at Fiorano was only ~0.5s, can any normal person "feel" this ? Probably not. But almost everyone will notice the extra 100hp from a 488. So yeah, to each their own.
lol! I remember years ago there were delusional 488 and pista owner who got angry at the fact a 458 sounds light years better than the faster turbo Ferraris. Owners often wear blinders to protect their purchase.
I have not driven 458 spider or 488 spider. But if the prices are the same for both, it’s tough to go with the older one that sounds better. Both are awesome vehicles. One more classic and one more aggressive looking. But I think there are more issues with turbo engines. But the market is showing more people want 458 than 488. $250k + for a 10 year old vehicle. Prices are still going up? Crazy.
Well good for you. Not all of us buy these things to track them, in fact very few. But I’ve got an 812 for the the hard top experience.