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Why the Bad Vibe? - Getrag 7-speed dual-clutch

Discussion in 'California/Portofino/Roma' started by usmc_0311, Feb 24, 2024.

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  1. usmc_0311

    usmc_0311 Karting

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  2. FrancisK

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    I haven't noticed much bad press about it, if anything most say it's a revelation over the single clutch it replaced...
     
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  3. usmc_0311

    usmc_0311 Karting

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    humm - you haven't noticed all the fear, uncertainty and doubt about the reliability and catastrophic failure rate of this transmission in the cali in this forum? heck even the service advisor at my 2 local ferarri dealers have said failure is a matter of when not if. But the same is not being said about the same transmission in the other cars above...
     
  4. Redneck Slim

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    The problem was a poorly located wiring harness inside the DCT that would chafe through. From what has been reported on this forum,the problem was confined to Californias (2009-2012) with one California 30 reported.
     
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  5. dera

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    458, FF and others suffer from the same gearbox failures as early Californias. Same with early MB SLS's and so on. And it is commonly thought to be a "when, not if" type event. But why worry? It's a $10-15k repair when it fails. Get unlucky and chip your brake rotor and thats $10k as well.

    Or just buy a Cali30 or CaliT. Gearbox failures on those are almost unheard of.

    I think the poor reputation comes from the early days when Ferrari would only replace the whole transmission for like $40k, no-one was trained to open and repair them, nor would Ferrari sell parts to them.
     
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  6. mcw

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    Thanks for posting this note.

    There is a pattern in the postings to F-Chat which center on the early Cali models as having more tranny issues, though I have seen it reported up into Cali T range. Given the number of postings it is difficult for me to come up with a probability estimate of tranny failure or fraction of cars produced which are involved.

    I recall there was a Ferrari offer of free new engine in 2011 and 2012 cars, a few hundred cars eligible. But I never see any postings about this crankshaft issue these days.
     
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  7. FrancisK

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    Didn't realize you were speaking in regards to failure rate.
     
  8. Redneck Slim

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    There was a May 2012 recall for the engines. A few were replaced (74 in USA). This is what I have read on this forum. Any dealer should be able to verify if the car was subject to recall and had the engine replaced.
     
  9. Redneck Slim

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    If you are concerned about DCT failure (which is a reasonable concern),look only at cars that have had the wiring harness issue addressed.
     
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  10. usmc_0311

    usmc_0311 Karting

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    thank you - i have a 2014 :)
     
  11. tomc

    tomc Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Like others, most of online angst I saw re the DTC arose from sensor failures. As an engineering marvel, it's a brilliant transmission. I think the PDK on our 911 is a smidgen better, especially in stop/go traffic, but when you give it the beans, the Ferrari DTC is just fabulous.

    We own six cars, and I've come to the conclusion after reading too many online stories, watching too many YouTube videos, surfing F-chat, etc. each one of our cars is a ticking time bomb - diesel emission stuff on our F-450 is ready to break any day, our 4Runner is going to rust out, the Cali DTC is going to malfunction, etc. Fortunately, worrying and cars are hobbies! :D

    T
     
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  12. vjd3

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    2013 Cali 30 sold at 20k miles, no DCT issues. 2015 Cali T currently 31k miles and rising, no DCT issues (or any issues, for that matter).

    To quote Tom Petty: "Most things I worry about never happen anyway."
     
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  14. KS_California

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    Thx for the research. I know the early ones had some issues. My 2011 seems to work fine.
     
  15. usmc_0311

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    oh man, our beloved 2003 v8 4runner had frame rot so bad, the frame rails broke and the transmission case failed.... hope this does not mean our cali dct will live up to it's reputation! Guess we'll buy another year of the power15.... :--)
     
  16. tomc

    tomc Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Am not surprised. V8 4Rs listed for sale are either pristine, low mileage examples from warm-weather states with crazy asking prices or clapped-out hoopties with 200+K miles. I wouldn't worry about rust on your Cali; this may be one of the few areas that Ferrari has a leg up on Toyota!
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  17. D-Gunz

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    I agree with it's a matter of when not if. My 2011 cali just failed today on d-day... it grenanded on me ...pun intended! 49k miles after 3y and 29k daily driving. Hollywood mechanic said all dct will fail due to age not mileage. Taking in next week to find out my fate...
     
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