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Discussion in 'F1' started by Flavio_C, Feb 17, 2021.

  1. Flavio_C

    Flavio_C Formula 3
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    Well, I just came back from a 15-day ban for something I can't even figure out why. Apparently I post a "P&R pic" (?!?) that I now don't even remember what was it all about.

    It was good to participate in this forum but seems like I will be banned forever. I thought cancellation culture was not a thing on this forum.

    For those who want to keep in touch, I will probably be on the many of the Ferrari events in Switzerland/Italy/Southern Germany after this pandemic is over. Shoot me a message: flaviokart@gmail.com

    Cheers
     
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  3. wax

    wax Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Hi.

    I do not moderate either the F1 Forum nor the P&R Forum.

    It would be wise for a Subscriber to post an F1/P&R Thread within the P&R Forum.

    This would allow those who wish to do so to post P&R content on an F1 Thread, keep both worlds from colliding, quantity of arguments lowered within F1 Forum ifself, wherein bans would be minimized.

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  4. william

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    A photo of the ex-President holding one of his many decrees, with a message photoshoped on it?

    You don't remember what you post on FB?
     
  5. paulchua

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    Flavio, let me explain in the simplest way possible. If I started posting hard core porn on this Formula 1 forum, should I be banned? Cancelled would be if I am not allowed to do so on a porn site.

    do you see the distinction?
     
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  6. Flavio_C

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    No, I truly don't remember. But probably it was not P&R, it was something for fun. It's not because you have a ex-president that it can't be a meme for F1.

    Anyway, I'm done. I remember I answered one of your posts about CO2 and I was just explaining a science issue and I got a ban for "P&R".

    What's FB? Facebook? I don't have it, deleted it many years ago when I realized how crap and woke it was.
     
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  8. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Four Time F1 World Champ
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    There is such a thread already, posted by moderator Robb.
     
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  9. william

    william F1 World Champ
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    I meant FerrariChat, sorry !!

    You can't say or show anything remotely political here. I have been caught myself!

    A photo of DJT is definitelly P&R !
     
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  10. DeSoto

    DeSoto F1 Veteran

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    Ok, ok, no Donald Trump in the F1 forum, I get it.

    But can we have porn, please?
     
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  11. Natkingcolebasket69

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    If i recall u posted a trump meme picture. I thought ur ban was harsh but rules are the rules. I was banned on a few occasions too;)


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  13. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 F1 World Champ
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    I got banned for posting a Trump pic on the F1 forum.

    It happens. Oh well move on..
     
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  14. Flavio_C

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    Thanks, I now remember. I don't understand why a meme about F1, where a photo of Trump holding a decree was used, can be considered P&R! It was meant to make fun about a F1 situation, not about politics. Anyway, whatever.

    But moderators should have more common sense too. A meme about F1 where a photo of Madonna, Trump, or Michael Jordan was used, is logically not about P&R.

    Also, I don't accept a ban just because I was correcting a wrong statement about CO2. As an engineer and as someone who briefly taught sciences, I was just trying to help. But no, the moderator in question was unable to differentiate that. Patetic.
     
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  15. LVP488

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    Could anyone help me finding a Trump forum where I could be banned for posting an F1 photo?
     
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  16. SimCity3

    SimCity3 Formula 3


    Are pics of Hilary Clinton attending an F1 race allowed ?
     
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  17. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 Veteran
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    At the end of the day there are rules but it’s not really a democracy- I one time had a post similar to your as asking for opinion and feedback on mods and that got closed real quick
    So we can only follow the rules and have fun rhe best we can!


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  18. Natkingcolebasket69

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    Was it yslish? He is good but very tough. Just follow the rules and voila. Sometimes it’s best;)


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  19. paulchua

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    I would have to see it, as I was not involved in the banning. As in many things, context is king. If the meme was Madonna, Trump, and Jordan all supporting Nascar. What do I or anybody else care?

    A Trump forum by definition is political correct? So anything goes. Akin to you asking if porn should be allowed in a porn forum. Yeah. Both implications logically do not deduce anything in what is 'off topic' in an F1 forum. What is a logical supposition is if somebody posted a Formula 1 race on a porn site, and refuses to stop - it would be removed and poster banned because it's not an F1 site. It makes no statement if said porn site hates or loves F1. Formula 1 simply has nothing to do with a porn site.

    Or if I started posting Star Wars movies on a Trump site - it would be removed, and I banned. Not because Trump supporters hate Star Wars, simply because Star Wars has nothing to do with Trump.

    Of course, it is allowed face value. What is the context though?
     
  20. paulchua

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    Again, the irony and cognitive dissonance are baffling.

    The common criticism I hear about F1 personalities is the inability to refrain from politics and bring it into the sport.

    How do these detractors protest the above behavior?

    By bringing politics into the sport.

    Oi vey.
     
  21. 635CSI

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    Look what happened to Sid, never said Boo to a Goose, and has been exiled to Narnia or Mordor or somewhere.
     
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  22. SimCity3

    SimCity3 Formula 3

    Domenicali opening the doors for F1 and it's drivers to become politically vocal is likely to backfire. Regardless of their best intentions.

    Sport was created to transcend politics, but Stefano has forgotten this fundamental principal.

    Challenging times lay ahead.
     
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  23. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I put all of my scammers in the Rossa girlfriend thread....
     
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  24. Bas

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    Yep. The sport making all kinds of strong political statements but we have to skirt around the issue and *hope* a comment we make is not political, even if it it's not intended as such.

    And with all posts removed and moderators just slap a sticker ''this was P&R'' on it, but few people saw it, leaves a pretty large grey area of what can be discussed or not. So people just have to guess where the limit is I suppose.

    I don't remember seeing Flavio's picture, no idea of the context, no idea what the picture said. Even after people are discussing it now it seems to have been a photoshopped picture of DJT (I presume the meme pic of him holding up a card)...Seeing Flavio banned for 2 weeks was quite long and I don't recall him being a member here that's stepping on many toes. Quite the contrary in fact.

    so, question for the mods...if someone here on the forum makes a statement about something F1 related and another member posts a picture of DJT saying ''wrong'', is that political, because it features a political person?
     
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  25. Jakuzzi

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    Some are more equal than others ..

    Go check out the Oz F1 thread ...you can talk P&R all day long there and twice on sundays ... how come ?
     
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  27. Jakuzzi

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    I have the answer, but it seems it would be considered P&R ;)
     
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  28. jpalmito

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    Agree !
    Always found him so bland.
    Remember his famous « we have to stay calm « .
    Hiring him instead of Ross Brawn was the biggest mistake made by Di Montezemolo.
     
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