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Why don't Japanese sports cars have more street cred compared to European brands?

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  1. 95spiderman

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    z seems ok to me. stick is nice to have too. but even if has 400hp its still way below cayman or vette to me. it obviously is in competition with supra and that comparison will be fun to watch
     
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  3. randkin

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    I largely agree with you. Generally, the Japanese cars are marketed as disposable appliances not art work, racing icons or anything other than an instrument of transportation. Well, it is pretty hard to get excited about a brand of toasters even if one of the toasters is really a tip top toaster. There are so few really inspiring Japanese sports cars. While Mazda has a history of sports cars they are hardly awe inspiring. They are pretty much an entry level sports car but are advancing the brand or image much in the past 20 years.

    You are correct they start creating an image then it kind of fades with time and in attention. Lexus is building an image for luxury but not so much for sporty cars. Their sporty cars are nice cars but nothing that really are awe inspiring. The NSX original edition was pretty cool but essentially the same car from beginning to the end. The GT-R of Nissan began competitive but also didn’t seem to keep up with other competitors. The new versions of the Supra and NSX were kind of a disappointment IMO. And the NSX seemed over priced. Had the base model been priced like the C8 at $60k it would likely sold much better but at $150k and up the car just did not have enough star appeal to rock the sports car market place.

    So it seems the sports car image is not one the Japanese manufactures are really pursuing rather really just trying to sell economical transportation vehicles only having sports cars to occasionally generate interest in an otherwise mundane but utilitarian brand of vehicles.
     
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    While I like the side view the best, there is nothing about the design that leads me to think “gees would I like to own that car”. It would be pretty invisible in a group of sports cars. IMO For an extra $15k I would much rather own a C8.
     
  6. 95spiderman

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    i like it better than supra just because has stick, otherwise both are meh
     
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  8. tomc

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    Invisibility has its advantages. I agree on side view being best. I like the front too. Not digging the back...T
     
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    New Supra is too busy for me. I like the 86 from among their current crop. I see a few old school Japanese sports cars while driving around - Zs, MR2s, NSXs. Those are cool IMO...T
     
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    The 400Z looks like a kitcar clone of a Z. I am not a fan of the final lines or integration of the headlights....it had potential but the execution appears limited by the frame/chasis that they used. Clearly a rebody and not a ground up redesign. In many ways it reminds me of the Mercedes SL R230 > R231 'evolution'.
     
  11. ShineKen

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    Personally, the rear of the car has to be HOT. Stance, width, tail lights, rear bumper/diffuser... etc. If the rear is on point, you can get away with an iffy front. Ferrari gets this. Perfect example is R35 GT-R.

    The rear of the new Z is too robocop for me. The fact these promo vids/images focus more on the front than the rear is telling.

    I think vintage Z prices just doubled :).
     
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  13. ShineKen

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    Interior is nice though. I’ll give it that :).
     
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    Except to this day NA and NB miatas are worth less then an identical milage/condition NC....so who knows? It likely will sell are poorly as the 370z so it will have scarcity going for it.
     
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    I’m not certain, but I think too many Miatas were made. And they’re only 90’s cars, so might not be old enough yet.
     
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    The Z will have huge aftermarket support and 400hp V6TT will be easily modified to make double that. Even the old 350Z transmission, the CD009, is incredibly strong and frequently used in high hp engine swaps with adapters. This Z car likely will be just as durable and far easier to tune given it will come with a TT.

    The design is nothing striking...very modern concept version of the 240z. Like prior gen Zs, there will be loads of aftermarket body kits so the bumpers will be easy to change out if people don't like them as will the lights.

    The front end looks like a 2020 Aston Vantage to me and rear end like a 2020 Bentley Continental GT with the square rear end and hatch look. Obviously not identical to those two and imo obviously not as good looking as those but it reminded me of both.
     
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    it was a german opel
     
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    best shifter all time
     
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    The Lexus LC500, while a GT car, is perhaps the finest built contemporary car under $200,000 in my opinion. I've owned one and I'd put it above anything in quality and style under $200,000. It turned more heads than my F430.
     
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    Congrats! I really want to get a S2000.
     
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    I just bought an LC 500 convertible

    It should be delivered to the dealer this week and then get trucked from Texas to Illinois
     
  25. ferrariwithsnowtires

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    Congratulations on finding the right S2000.

    I had one of the 2000 model year cars, it was amazing fun.

    I had it close to 7 years, only stuff that had to be changed was an Oxygen sensor for like $80 and the battery (upgraded to an Optima).

    Oil changes were under $12, I’ll never see that price again.
     
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    I've seen a few around these parts. Sharp looking car...T
     
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    You won't regret the purchase. I was looking at the Structural Blue convertible, but didn't pull the trigger. I might wait a year before buying another one.
     
  28. ferrariwithsnowtires

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    Thanks,
    I really like the nautical theme of the structural blue launch edition (inspiration series) cars.
    But they have a mostly white interior including steering wheel that just seemed impossible to keeps clean.
    Plus most of the dealers are tacking on $20,000 to $50,000 market adjustments on those.
    I went with white and a black top and the caramel interior.
    Goofy situation with these cars, only 50 plus or minus to choose from nationwide.
    My local Chicago dealers refused to discount.
    Pretty much every car is loaded.
    Dealers encourage custom ordering but that looks like a 6 month wait kind of situation.
     

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