Whether to buy original or repro tools and pouch sets?

Original tools are great, but then you never know if those specific tools came from that specific car. They are quite generalized and the closest you will get is that a particular set of tools came from that model.

 

I have the correct ones for my cars, but a new 328 roll is nicer, than a beat up 308 roll!!

 

Agreed. Having an original tool kit that matches the car does make it that little bit special as does finding the correct hand book and pouch.

The enjoyment to me is finding the individual tools rather than buying a completed set. I spent ten years putting together a tool kit for a 250 outside plug car only to spend another seven years putting together an inside plug tool kit. I have not got there yet and I still have some annoyingly shiny repro tools in the kit filling in the gaps while I search and yes the later tools are available for trade.

What does surprise me is the high percentage of repro or incorrect tools being passed off as original. Be very careful. Added to this are the many owners of extremely expensive cars that are under the impression that the equally expensive toolkit that they purchased with the car is original too.

It may sound strange but the feeling of achievement when the kit is complete will be quickly replaced by a felling of loss that the enjoyable search is over.

Any suggestions on how to age later BETA 55 spanners ?

Kim
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Give them to your kids for a week.

 

Beta 55 is not the same as Auto-Beta No. 55 or Beta No.55.

 

Agreed. I am still looking for a few Auto Beta No 55 spanners to make up the correct set. The picture shows a complete but sadly modern set

 

Wouldn't it be great if someone published a definitive book on Ferrari tools, bags and pouches

 

If the tools did not come with the car, even if the tools are the same year and model, then they are technically not original. Other than Concours judges and very picky buyers, "period" replacement tools are widely acceptable.

Therefore, don't waste your money on tools that did not actually come with the car.

 

True but it surprises me how often I find a needle.

As for tools that originally came with the car, this is extremely rare with older cars. I cannot see why any owner would want an original car but forget about the tool kit.

 

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4-sponsored-redline-restorations/96515-guide-tool-kits-factory-supplied-data-parts-manual.html

 

@ 375+, how is beta55 different than auto beta 55? which car model and years?
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Handbook pictures but they no not show the manufacturers markings

 

The script on the handles changed over the period they were used by Ferrari. I believe Auto Beta No 55 was the first script used from 58 till the mid sixties. Followed by Beta No 55 for 275's onwards. Then came the Beta 55 spanners without the "No" shown in my photo. Finally you have the current production Beta 55 spanner with a small logo on the handle.

 

I have only ever seen this kit as a picture in the 250 inside plug manual until Retromobile

Can anyone tell me if this was supplied with every car and what the tools are ?

Kim
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I think the top tool is for replacing liners

 

I don't know that the chronology is that precise, but your description of the spanners is spot on.

 

The Beta Auto No 55 and the Beta No 55 designs used in the Ferrai tool kits have a larger wrench heads, with crisp edges, compared with the later Beta 55. The handle details are essentially the same, except for the evolution of the script/logo. The Beta 55 production through today (you can still buy Beta 55 new) has smaller, more streamlined wrench head. After the 275 era or soon thereafter, the tool kit wrenches are other brands, not Beta, but not sure of exactly when this happens. In the mechanic's tool box, the long tool with the curved handle is a spring compressor for inside-plug hairpin valve springs.

 

Thought about adding a link to the website but 1950's and to a degree 1960's tool kits are difficult to define. Perhaps someone should start a thread on here on what they believe to be the correct kit for their car.........Then sit back and enjoy the arguments ! I believe that USA bound tool kits oftened differed to their European counterparts. I also believe that Ferrari used up kits from a previous model in the first batch of the new one. I have come across several very original early Daytonas with pure 275 kits as an example. The diagrams in the handbooks are usually totally misleading.

 

Perhaps we should start Fchat Original Tool Exchange thread? Post what you are looking for, and what you are willing to exchange.

 

Great idea !