Weight Penalty for 458 Spyder

I know someone that has the internal figures, the spider weighs less than 130 pounds more than the coupe. So your looking at a curb weight under 3600 pounds for a US spec car.

 

Ya know, I'm always surprised people worry about this. You buy a spider for the driving sensation, not for it's ultimate performance. Everyone knows coupes are lighter and stronger. They are also cheaper.

You accept these penalties to have the unique driving experience of no top over your head.

The 458 spider is faster than the F430 coupe by quite a bit. So, shouldn't we worry about "the penalty" of owning an F430?

The 458 is still stupid fast. I dare anyone to feel the difference in a 0 to 60 time 2/10's of a second slower.

 

I have not had a chance to see the MSRP on this car anyone know?

 

Not yet got official pricing on it. But around 15% over the base price of the coupe.

Sunny

 

That's what I heard. Base MSRP jumped $4500 in 2012 already so you're looking at about 40 grand USD more -- the most ever difference if it's true. So, I expect a lot of coupe owners who rarely have the proper weather to drive with their top down to stick with them. $40 grand for a few weekends a year is a tough nut to crack.

 

Good thing its sunshine over 300 days a year in San Diego!

I should pick one up

 

My goal for retirement area, 10-15 years to wait though.

 

My guess for the weight difference of the 458 vs 458 Spyder is,
(458 with driver + passenger) = (458 spyder with driver only). Also, I don't think there will be a real noticeable difference in the performance. Unless you track it or drag it often.

 

I think its way more than 300 days. We have usually about a few weeks of rain a year here in West Los Angeles altogether except for El Nino years.

 

I think Ferrari stated that the spider weighs 120 pounds more than the coupe.

But what is really interesting is that the folding hard-top is lighter than a folding canvas top. I think Ferrari said that 20 pounds is saved with the folding hardtop.

 

Hi

458 Spider:
Dry weight 1430 kg (3153 lbs)*
* With forged wheels and Racing seats

458 Italia:
Dry weight 1380 kg (3042 lbs)*
* With forged wheels and Racing seats

Hope this helps.

Best wishes

Manfred/Mitorosso.com

 

Are those official Ferrari weights? A US spec 458 weighs less than 200 pounds more than a Euro spec 458. I've seen a US spec Italia being weighed and it came in at 3,460 pounds for curb weight. Ferrari is always optimistic with its weight claims.

 

Point well made....and a 130 lbs extra for a spider is a very small penalty indeed and one that would be very hard to notice. I did not notice a difference between the 430 and spider in everyday driving. I did notice a big difference when test driving a bmw M3 coupe vs convertible, but that car had a 430 lbs difference!!!!

 

Having lived in S.D. for several years, the average number days of mostly sunshine is just over 300.

 

Hi

Information from Ferrari press releases.

Best wishes

Manfred/Mitorosso.com

 

Those are Ferrari official Dry weight figures. You need to add 240 lbs for wet weight and no fuel. This is all the fluids topped, except fuel.

3,042 lbs + fluids (est 240 lbs) = 3282 lbs with no fuel, race seats and forged wheels.

The fuel tank on the F458 is 23 gallons, at 6.25 lbs/gallon, 144 lbs on fuel alone.

3,282 lbs wet weight + 144 lbs on fuel = 3,426 lbs.

The standard wheels are 12 lbs heavier than the forged aluminum ones = 3,438 lbs.

So, a standard U.S. version F458 Italia with the sport seats (the seats introduced in the 430 Scuderia, now shared with the 599 GTO and F458 Italia) and no other option is a 3,438 lbs car with a full tank of fuel.

In the 430 Scuderia the fluids (except fuel) added 220 lbs per Ferrari official figures, in the California (uses a little less oil than the F458 Italia) the fluids add 232 lbs. In the 599 (still uses a F1 transmission) the fluids add 240 lbs. The Italia should be in the 240 lbs range for all fluids except fuel: oils for power steering pump/engine/DCT/e-diff/others, coolant, brake fluid, etc.

In the F430, the optional Daytona power seats are 33 lbs heavier each compared to the Scuderia stock seat (used by F458 and 599GTO). So, expect U.S version F458 Italia with power Daytona seats to be around 3,500 lbs.

By the way, MotorTrend tested 11 sport cars a few weeks ago, their weight figures are accurate as they put all the cars on electronic scales with a full tank of fuel. The F458 Italia weighed 3,440 lbs, they tested a car with standard wheels and racing seats.

The new F458 Spider is only 100 to 110 lbs heavier than the Coupe, I think this is a great achievement. I would rather buy a Spider with Carbon Sport seats and Forged wheels, than a Coupe with Daytona and standard wheels. Plus the new Spider is a Coupe and a Spider all together.

I don't think many have paid attention, but for 2012 Ferrari made improvements to the F458 Italia suspension, transmission, and stability control, so it is now an even faster car.

 

Thanks for the figures. I completely agree, it is amazing that Ferrari was able to the extra weight so low in the spider. The 2012 is an improvement over the 2011 car, though the idea of tracking a car with a multilink suspension system still seems less appealing to me than something like a Scuderia. As someone that tracks their car a lot do you feel it would more difficult to a set up an Italia to your liking?

Sorry for the hijack, just curious.

 

The F458 is still too heavy for track use. Add a driver and the Coupe won't be far off 3,700 lbs.

A lot of things start to give up when carrying too much weight: suspension bushings, wheel bearings, tires, control arms. Lighter cars are more reliable for track use, more tossable as well. My Scuderia is down to 2,903 lbs with no fuel, or 400 lbs to 450 lbs lighter than a F458.

I'm looking forward for the 2014 F458 lighweight, by that time the car will have the best of everything originally introduced with the F458 Italia.

The Spider looks to be a fun and complete package. I think that Ferrari is going to sell more Spiders than before in proportion to Coupes.