Weight F458 vs F430

I dunno... if technologies move on to increase the levels of performance, then does the absolute weight really matter down to the last kilogram?

And was this really so interesting that it needed posting twice? http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=259120

All the best,
Andrew.

 

The Stradale owners would certainly argue that weight is important. Some who also own the Scuderia prefer the 'feel' of the Stradale which is the lighter of the two. It isn't always about ultimate acceleration or speed.
CH

 

Thanks for that... I stand corrected.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Maybe thats why they put 570 hp in it, to compensate for the weight.

Because 50-60 hp over the Scud is a lot but with the increase in weight, it balances out performance wise.

 

1. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 1:23.9
2. Ferrari Enzo 1:24.9
3. Ferrari 458 Italia 1:25.00
4. Ferrari 599 GTB HGTE 1:25.900
5. Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 1:26.5
6. Ferrari 360 CS 1:26.50
7. Ferrari F430 Scuderia 16M 1:26.500
8. Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano HGTE 1:26.500
9. Ferrari F50 1:27.00
10. Ferrari F430 1:27.00
11. Ferrari F430 Spyder 1:27.00
12. Ferrari F40 1:29.60
13. Ferrari 612 Scaglietti 1:30.5
14. Ferrari 360 Modena 1:31.00
15. Ferrari 575 Maranello 1:31.51
16. Ferrari 550 Maranello 1:32.52
17. Ferrari F355 1:34.00
18. Ferrari 512 TR 1:35.00
19. Ferrari 456 GT 1:35.00
20. Ferrari 288 GTO 1:36.00
21. Porsche 959 1:37.00

 

Where are these lap-times from? I've hard time believing some of these and, to my knowledge, the 458 lap hasn't been released by Ferrari as of yet.

 

D'ont forget that the 458 lap time is not with semi-slick-tyres !
Give the 458 the same tyres as the scud, the 458 at least goes for the same times at fiorano !
Not too bad for a standard car !

 

the Scuderias official time is 1:25, same as 458

 

F430 dry weight is 1350kg or 2975 lb . Kerb weight is 1450 kg or 3196 lb

 

Does anyone really care about this stuff?

 

And an F430 probably weighs twice as much as a 308. But it's still much faster and much better to drive. End of story.

 

The 360 and the F430 were already all-aluminum. Without either using a lot of carbon fiber for the body ($$$) or making it significantly smaller in size the weight was not going to change much, which it didn't.

F430 dry weight is 1350kg and F458 of 1380kg? 30 kgs is a big deal? Not sure anybody really thinks this is significant or something to worry about.

 

You can argue about more hp but a lighter car is always to prefer on track. Look at the 599, it´s very fast on Fiorano. Still I prefer the 430 or even more the CS.

It´s not all about weight ofc, but the heavier car, the less feel at the limit and early braking.

What tyres did the 458 have at the 1.25 time ? I´ve heard people doing 1.23.5 times on fiorano in the 458.

 

Well,some posters here already call the 458 a "porky",without even driving ,touching or even seeing themselves that car.

 

Remember that in the mid 90's Fiorano was revised slightly and made a little "quicker", so times from then on really can NOT be compared to the ones before then.

 

Ferrari, so you think they are gonna say any newer car or "halo" car is slower then the older one or so on?

Some of those times are purely for show. Like the Enzo being perfectly 1 tenth quicker then the Scud. And how is a F430 Spider the same as a coupe? I don't think half these times are 100% truthful....

 

Difference is about 1 sec before schumi got his corner.

 

I've heard about 1-1.5 seconds. So any times from say 1995 and older could technically have 1-1.5 seconds shaved off them to "compare".

 

It may feel great and hide its weight like a champ (or a GTR). This will not change the fact that it is a porker. Coming in heavier than 430, by good 100lbs , if not more. I made this boring point before, but Ferrari itself has been trumpeting the benefits of low weight vs. high power just a couple years ago. To come out with a car heavier than an outgoing one (especially after such an impressive move with the scud) is at least midly disappointing.

 

What tires does 458 have? I can't find any info in the press release?

 

Actually, they weigh about the same except for the glass 308.

Dave

 

Well, I'm certainly not going to call anyone a liar or anything but those numbers sound like a lot of fiction to me. If they did come from Ferrari (I can't find any such info myself - anyone link?), I think it's marketing BS. The 430's share identical times but the Scud and 16M are a full *2.5 seconds apart*? Hmmm.

Ultimately, unless the temp, humidity and track conditions (rubbering, etc.) were identical during testing it's hard to really compare these times. Since Ferrari is notorious for fudging their weight numbers, I think all of us will have to wait to get a "real" lap time from someone other than Ferrari.