VW Diesel emissions fraud.

i dont have a TDI but if i did i wouldnt take it back in....

 

Good article. Seems a continous theme;

The world is still waiting for compensation for the damage some US investment banks (as instigators and main players) and the US Government itself (for dismantling it's own regulatory system and bad supervision) caused with the biggest financial turmoil known to man.

And in the meantime Europe is letting it all happen, as always.

 

or the people that borrowed all that money to pay it back....

 

I hate to see VW or any carmaker in this situation. We're a little short on facts at this stage, but VW has already taken a massive hit in market value.

As to the cars, I drove a Passat diesel on a road trip in Europe a few weeks ago. Great car, balky shifter. Fuel consumption about 5.5 L per 100 km.

 

The group that found the issue with the VW also tested a BMW x5 at the same time and it's emissions were as advertised. It appears it's just VW at this point.

 

Does this also affect the Audi TDI?

 

I think we're so far past the point of diminishing returns that's its not even funny. Like any government institution the EPA will never say "ok we've done a great job, we are now just going to keep everything as is". Instead they have to keep justifying their jobs, money, and power by having ever increasing regulations. I remember when things was so bad, bad air, Lake Erie was practically a dead lake etc. I don't want to go back to that but how about keeping things as they are for a while?

 

Same hardware, same software.

 

It is only the 2.0 TDI motor. I have only heard the A3 mentioned thus far.

 

Thanks! My dad has an A8 TDI, so he should be fine.

 

That's not clear yet.

 

this whole thing is pretty much BS. The test conditions were specified and VW came up with a way of getting better results in these conditions. If authorities hadn't been so ignorant this would never have happened. The same kind of thing is going on in every business where energy consumption is a selling point. Just look at freezers tested according to the ISO standards. If you don't open the door for some time the freezer will enter a low-energy mode, something which is very unlikely to happen in normal use and which may, after some time, lead to functionality issues (due to ice buildup) but which is allowed for by the test standards. VW shouldn't be blamed, those who designed the tests and those who ignorantly reward good test results should be.

 

Disagree completely.

What you describe is pretty much standard practice as you say. Most people realise that the tests are not really representative of normal conditions. But There is al least a level playing field which provides a comparison between different manufacturers, using the same test.

What VW did was completely different. They used software to deduce when the car is being tested and switch to a different set of EFI maps which are specifically designed to defeat the test. This is not the same as designing to get good results in test conditions. Its designing to blatantly fake the test results.

This situation is getting messier by the day. Its not actually in the interests of customers to return their cars because they will end up with a car which uses more fuel and is slower, but the German authorities have stated that the recall must be compulsory, like a safety recall! This will seriously reduce the resale values and many customers will therefore seek redress against VW for that.

 

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Which people, borrowed what money ??

 

all the people that borrowed money from the banks at records low rates and walked away.

 

The Owner Has a Crucial Part in Volkswagen Diesel Repair

 

Only the 2.0TDIs are involved. I would think that the rest of VW's diesels have already been tested for the emissions defeating devices, but there's no news about that so I think owners of non-2.0TDI diesel VW products are fine.

 

In case anyone is wondering what has happened to values of the cars that are out there now.

I went and looked at a BMW 335 over the weekend. I asked to trade in my 2011 VW Jetta TDI.. I was told No. The dealer was instructed by corporate not to take any of the effected cars in on trade, even if that meant sacrificing a sale.

I took the car to Carmax and they offered $6K for the car. KBB still shows as $11K trade in value on it. Guess I will be keeping it..

 

VW made several defeat devices to cheat emissions tests, report says

http://www.autonews.com/article/20151018/COPY01/310189998/vw-made-several-defeat-devices-to-cheat-emissions-tests-report-says?cciid=email-autonews-daily

Employees of Volkswagen warned years ago concerning diesel emissions fraud.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nu.nl%2Fauto%2F4134065%2Fvw-medewerkers-waarschuwden-eerder-al-dieselschandaal.html&edit-text=&act=url

 

http://www.autonews.com/article/20151020/COPY01/310209987/vw-diesel-owners-in-u-s-face-lost-value-and-uncertainty

 

Florida wisely gave up emission checks a couple of decades ago. And our air is great.

 

Actually it is.

The fraud has only taken place on the 2.0L cars. Not the others.. Basicially if you have a car that requires DEF or add blue or what ever brand they want to call it... you are fine. Its the mysterious lack of those items on these cars is what gave the goose away.

Honda reportedly threw their hands up in the air on figuring out how VW was able to build a 2.0 liter diesel without DEF and still pass emissions. Say what you want about Honda, but virtually no one in the world knows small combustion engines like Honda. They were essentially saying if we can't do it and they can we should just close our doors. They clearly have magic... well.. it turns out... they just had sneaky software magic! LOL

 

I remember my 03 tdi wagon MSRP sticker saying it was a 9 ON THE 1-10 polluter scale that was printed on it. Sold that car last year with 302k on it.

 

3.0 ltr tdi's of VW (Porsche and Audi) manipulated as well:

VW-Abgasaffäre: Auch Porsche von Manipulationen betroffen - SPIEGEL ONLINE

 

Now Porsche involved...

Volkswagen emission cheating scandal spreads to Porsche - Nov. 2, 2015