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Veglia tacho replacement electronic board

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  1. alhbln

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    #1 alhbln, Dec 21, 2012
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    I've created a replacement circuit board for Veglia tacho's. It should fit for all electronic Veglia tacho's build from the late sixties to early eighties and can be used to repair an old tacho if parts are not available or to adapt to a different cylinder setting (e.g. when changing from a two distributor setup to a single distributor).

    The project is documented here: http://www.dinoplex.org/tachoconversion/

    See below for an assortment of Veglia boards used in Ferraris from the late sixties to eighties and the replacement on the lower right.

    enjoy,
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  2. rustybits

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    Very interesting, and useful link. Thank you for the post.
     
  3. john308

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    Hi Adrian,

    I have been very interested to read your post regarding old Veglia tachometers and also had a good look at your replacement circuit board on the dinoplex site. Impressive !

    The reason for my interest is based on the now inoperative state of the tachometer in my 1977 USA spec 308GTB. Before I bought the car some 5 years ago, it was fitted with a single Marelli distributor using a magnetic trigger. An MSD 6A ignition with an 8920 Tach adapter was also fitted. The whole setup was fine if a little roughly installed. There was also the ballast resistor wired in as shown in the MSD insructions but this seemed ugly and redundant, so I removed it with no apparent consequences. So far so good and everything was working.

    A few hundred kilometers ago ( years at my low usage ), the tachometer started to jump to life only after the car had been driven for half an hour or so. I just put this down to an intermittent contact somewhere up near the tachometer itself and decided to ignore it. I have 'fixed' numerous other electrical faults by just cleaning contacts previously.

    But as of my last decent drive, the tachometer is permanently static.

    I spent the day pulling the car apart and reading up on the net. I have tested the circuits between the MSD, the Tach adapter and the tachometer and it all appears to be doing what it should......except the old Veglia wont move....
    I also tried connecting the square wave 12v output from the MSD 6A directly to no avail.

    The car starts and runs perfectly by the way.

    I have ordered a new Tach adapter just in case it is faulty.

    My question after that lengthy explanation is this:
    How likely is it that the tachometer is at fault?
    Should I hook up a square wave generator directly to check it ? (I have never used one before )

    PS, there is a tiny typo on your dinoplex page regarding the RPM / Hz conversion for an 8 cylinder engine. I think the 10 was meant to be a 15 ?

    Thanks, and any guidance will be appreciated

    John
     
  4. alhbln

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    #4 alhbln, Jan 14, 2013
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    John,

    the tach in your 308 GTB is most probably a Veglia 68-3643, which in the factory setup was wired directly to one of the two ignition coils. The MSD 8920 tach adapter creates a compatible signal so that setup should work.
    Your Veglia tach is not compatible with the 12 volt square wave MSD tach output as it expects a 100-200 volt impulse from the primary coil winding.

    From what you described it sounds like an intermittent contact problem but as you already have cleaned the contacts and the problem is still there it would be either a defect of the MSD tach adapter, or a defect of one of the two transistors on the Veglia circuit board.
    Might be worth to replace both transistors (replacement transistors BSW42 = BC546A, BSW43=BC546B or BC546C) if the new tach adapter does not fix the issue (see attachment).

    Thanks for spotting the typo in the RPM conversion, have corrected this.

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  5. tazandjan

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    John- Those are also the symptoms of a tachometer sending unit failure. Had to replace one on my 78 GTS in the good old days.
     
  6. alhbln

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    Terry, you might have mixed this up with the speedometer, which requires a sending unit. The tachometer gets the RPM signal via the Coil minus terminal (as with Johns tacho) or via points/electronic ignition, depending on the type.

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  7. Ferraripilot

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    Adrian did this for my tach, it is brilliant. Thanks again Adrian
     
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    Adrian- Right you are. I was thinking of the speedometer. Brain fart.
     
  9. john308

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    Many thanks to all and Adrian in particular.
    After installing a new MSD 8920 Tach adapter, my Tachometer is now working.
    Given that the Tach adapter feels like a solid lump, it makes me wonder what failed in there?

    Thanks again.

    John
     
  10. Jules70

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    Hello Adrian,
    Qo you still answer questions about this subject?
    I started manufacturing some Veglia board and I would have some help!
    Thanks
     
  11. alhbln

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    Great!
    Firstly many thanks for your help.
    I tried a lot of differents ways to keep my tacho in working condition.
    The last one was to change all internal electronic by a SpeedHut mechanism. Without success!
    Now I am trying your solution. During the soldering step I noticed that the D4 diode was only present on the PCB. Not on the part list nor on the schem.
    As I don't know a lot in electronic, could tou pls explain that difference?
    Sorry but I am only able to follow existing instructions.
     
  13. alhbln

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    You can ignore D4, it was removed in an update to the circuit as it is not required, but i forgot to also remove it from all PCB files. D4 was supposed to remove the negative part of a spark pulse when connected to a coil as input, but it was replaced against a Zener which also does the job of D4.
     
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    As I already sold it, can I let it in place?
     
  15. alhbln

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    Yes, no problem!
     
  16. Jules70

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    Thanks a lot. Now I only have to make some tests to determine The value of R1 resistor. I have only one cylinder (In fact two with one coil per cylinder).
    I'll come back to give you the results.
     
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    Sorry but I have an other question!
    For the 220nF C6 Radial ceramic capacitor, you said that it is only required for a Coil (-) connection setup.
    Could it be kept in place for an electronic ignition signal?
     
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    I am not the best guy to answer but as nobody answer, I will try. If you are sure that the fix is in the tacho you have to check the condensers first. They have a limited life and that is often the failure cause.
     

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