Vanquish S vs. F 575. vs Murcielago 6.2

What comparison?

Who said this?

Was there a link you forgot to include.

All the YouTube videos I have seen with Vanquish and 575 matchups -- i.e. TopGear, etc -- show the 575 the better all-around car.

ketel

 

Here are the raw stats:

Murcielago
Engine 6.2 L V12
HP- 572 bhp
Torque- 479 ft·lb
0-60 3.8 sec
0-100 9.5 sec
0-150 21.4 sec
1/4 Mile 12.0 sec @116 mph (187 km/h)
Top speed: 205 mph (330 km/h)
Curb Weight- 3,638

575M
Engine 5.7 L, 65° V12
HP: 520 PS (379 kW) at 7,250 rpm
Torque: 434 ft·lb at 5,250 rpm
0 to 62mph : 4.2 seconds
1/4 mile: 12.25 seconds
Top speed: 327 km/h (203 mph)
Curb Weight- 3,815lbs

Vanquish S
HP: 520bhp
Torque: 425 ft-lb
0 to 62mph: 4.8secs
TopSpeed: Over 200mph
Curb Weight- 4,045lbs

The Murci has 50hp more and weighs 170 lbs less than the 575. The Vanquish would be a great GT except I understand the "Flappy Paddle" gearbox is clunky compared to the 575M and Murci. All around I would go with the 575M with the 6-speed and FHP (Fiorano Handling Package). But I wouldn't kick the other two to the curb. Not in a second .

 

redferrarispyrder has a point...

Stats in isolation are fairly meaningless. Top speed, etc have little relevance in the world most of us inhabit. If that were the only criterium, then cars like the Pagani Zonda would be the best car on the planet based on sheer top end speed, but that thing must be a bear to live with and looks like it was designed by a committee...a committee of rhesus monkeys.

ketel

 

There were so many complaints about the Aston's gearbox that Aston finally yielded - you can (or could - the Vanquish S is not made anymore) get it with a manual box, even as retro fit I think.

The Aston is a truly great car but I believe quality-wise it cannot touch the 575. It is also a bit slower.

The Murcielago is a completely different kettle of fish and I'm not sure why you would compare it to the other two. It is a much faster car, much more sporty and much less easy to live with (using it as a daily driver could be an interesting experiment....). Not a GT in any sense, whereas the other two are prime examples of that category.

I don't understand the comment of why a Zonda would be difficult to live with - what's that based on? I've heard quite the opposite - owners seem to be unanimously raving about them. As for styling - well, that is in the eye of the beholder.


Onno

 

The comparison between the 575M and the Vanquish S is an interesting one, because both ask you to make sacrifices for opposing benefits. The 575M makes you sacrifice some comfort for some performance, while the Vanquish S asks you to make the opposite sacrifice. I'm sure these two vehicles are cross-shopped.

However, I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would compare either of these vehicles to the Murcielago. It seems that people make the 575M vs. Murcielago comparison on the basis that their predecessors competed - it's reasonable to say that the Testarossa and derivatives versus the Diablo was a fair comparison some years ago. But as soon as Ferrari introduced the front-engined 550, the vehicles ceased to share any similarities except those on paper: two seats, twelve cylinders, similar pricetag.

I maintain that there are 550/575M people, and there are Murcielago people, and their preference is determined at birth. Very few people reasonably compare the two vehicles, because the styling and image of the vehicles are so different it's hard not to pick a side.

 

I think it depends on the driver as well. I've seen many lower spec cars outdone better stuffs simply due to the driver.

I have a 6.2 Murcielago. I don't pull to redline everytime, normally do gear changes well under 4K rpm & I use it daily in city as well. I have to make compromises by not making it a "real" daily. I don't always take it out for lunches, meet people or buy groceries. Those I can use my family car. The car is very low & I lowered it, it has some blindspots & especially fatal @ perpendicular junctions so I try to go around this problem in heavy traffic by finding turns with controlled traffic lights. The lifter is a great feature when I go into basement carparks but it needs more space than usual as it's very wide @ the rear.

The 575 & Aston will be great all rounders & have much better driving visibility. Their non-killer looks are also good in the sense that it won't attract too much unwanted attention.

In terms of keeping up, I've only "cruised" @ 170 max for a few hrs stretch in other cars. I've not done above 200mph, it scares me @ that kind of speed. So in the real world, I think they are all very capable cars, far more capable than my means to handle them.

 

Interesting thread. I'm looking currently at stock Vanquish vs. 575M vs. Vanquish S, and then making a commensurate choice for the money. The Murcie hasn't really ever entered the equation for me. I've always looked at the Lambo as an out-and-out sports car, while the Aston and 575M are truly great GT cars.

Any thoughts on which would be the best value? The car would be driven about 4-5 times per week.
I'm figuring roughly that an 02-04 Vanquish is 110-150k
03-05 575M F1 is 140-175k (I don't prefer a first year 575M [2002], just a personal peeve with F-cars. Weird, I know.)
and an 05-06 Vanquish S will be 185-220k
Money, obviously, is something of a consideration for me so that's why it's being carefully (i.e., slowly) debated.

 

Interesting. Why would the 575M sacrifice comfort for performance? Is that in general or just vs. the Vanquish S.

From what I understand all Vanquish cars came with paddle shifters (Flappy Paddle Gearbor as Jeremy Clarkson would say). Aston Martin introduces a "Works" program to convert the Vanquish from an F-1 to a Manual w/Clutch transmission. I have heard the cost is somewhere in the $30-$40k range. A pretty pricey job.

 

I think he meant the 575's ride is more sporty than the Vanquish. From what I have read that would be correct if you consider a 575 with Fiorano handling pack.

Initially, the Vanquish was paddle shift only. In the last production run, however, after the introduction of the conversion you're talking about, it was possible to spec the Vanquish with manual from new. Not sure about the pricing of it.


Onno

 

I think the Murcielago is in a totally different car class than the other 2 you are concerned with. The Murcielago is simply a magnificent beast while the other two are Grand Touring cars.

The Murcielago is the ultimate exotic: mid-engine, 12 cylinders, 12 cylinders in mid-engine format (very rare), breathtakingly fast, ridiculously exotic physical appearance. It is a super-exotic.

The other two, while exotic, are not supercars.

As for a comparison between the Aston V12 Vanquish S and the Ferrari 575M, I think the 575M is better from a practical point of view.

In my opinion, these are a few reasons: the Aston doesn't hold its value; the Aston is very difficult to sell (small market); the Aston is not as fast; the quality does not compare (interior of the Aston is quite cheap-looking).

On the plus side, the Aston is stunningly gorgeous and has a magnificent engine sound. It sounds like a fighter plane.

If money is not an issue, and if the looks of the Aston trump the other negative qualities, I could see why someone would want the Aston. For me, I would never buy it because I know that I'd take a bath in it if I wanted to get rid of it. No car is as saleable as a Ferrari.

 

Murcie is a great car, but not the one I'd choose: too low, too many blind spots, too wide, too much attention, etc.

The Vanquish vs Vanquish S comparison is easy for me - I'd choose a Vanquish and use the money I saved to retrofit the manual transmission by an authorized AM service center.

The 575 vs the Vanquish - now this is the hard question!!! I might opt for the Vanquish, just because I already have Ferraris, but then again, the 575 is reeeaaally sweet...

 

The Vanquish, particularly by the time the Vanquish S rolled around, had a plush cabin loaded with aluminum and leather trim and sound deadening material (compared to the Ferrari's much more functional one). The Vanquish S is considerably more relaxed on power delivery, too, as you can see by the posted acceleration times (4.7sec 0-60 for the Vanquish vs. 4.1sec 0-60 for the 575M). The 575M's Fiorano handling pack would only exacerbate these issues. It would seem that the Vanquish S is the more relaxed of the two, while the 575M is the more high-strung, and these differences probably are the ones that ultimately make the decisions of people considering both vehicles.