The Brit engineers heavily influence f1 and do not want an American team. I will not believe an American F1 team will exist until I see it, and I don't think that will happen at any time in the near future.
North Carolina would be a prime location for an F1 team just because of the Windshear tunnel there, it really is something impressive. I am with you though, I will believe it when I see it. Haas will need to essentially start the team from nothing and invest the GDP of a small country to make it competitive not to mention woo a number of good British engineers to move stateside to run the show and at least train American engineers -who have no knowledge by comparison- how to run and design a proper Formula 1 machine. That being said, if they can nab a few particularly clever MIT engineers than the cleverness of their machine is only limited by the sky.
Heh, true dat. Still, if Newey can come up with the things he dreams up then surely that level of creativity is not limited to his skull.
At that point it becomes a cultural difference. It seems most US engineers with that much skill as it takes to be in F1 do not feel they should devote it to car racing.
Not to take issue, but I've never heard nor seen mention of a "British" resistance. It also seems to contradict the fact that American engineers have long been deeply involved on the technical level for many years. Am I missing something?
No. Any good technical racing engineer would relish the chance to be part of a well funded, focused F1 effort in my opinion. Still held up as the pinnacle so why not get involved, given a genuine opportunity!
You've not seen or heard mention but have also seen every attempt at an American F1 team fail miserably. They never have the key support essential to success in the sport.
Guess I'm not understanding how those failures could be attributable to anyone's (much less the British) influence or desires? Last time I checked, the red carpet to enter nor remain a fixture in the F1 paddock has never been rolled out for anyone, although it is fair to say that Ferrari do and admit to receiving certain financial privilege from the FIA
It would be great. I just don't think it will manifest into a team, let alone one that wins a championship. Remember when Newey wanted to work with Rayhal. The team had to be sold the RB before that was allowed.
Why do I find myself imagining a completely over-the-top American color scheme on the car with a giant Eagle on the nose and random cleaning products as sponsors haha. I kid
The problem is; do they want to move to the States? Rory wanted to leave in 1999 or early 2000s and it took a LOT of persuasion from Ferrari to get him to stay on for a few years (something tells me he made the right choice). Barnard refused to go to Italy and Ferrari finally bend over and gave him an office in the UK. Newey has had massive offers from Ferrari yet he refuses to go to Italy. Most of these guys have families, and moving abroad is a big ask. Disagree. No doubt the facility is impressive, but the States is the complete wrong place to start an F1 team if they want any hope of success (which starts by scoring a bloody point). Considering the complexity of parts these days, a base in Europe is essential. In fact, a base in the UK is essential; The only team that's based outside the UK is Ferrari. Even Merc has moved to Brackley. Teams struggle to get new parts to the track on time when they're in Europe. ****, even when they where right next to the track Red Bull could only have 1 new wing ready. Now add to this, if you have a US based team, you have to fly your new part out on time to a track in Europe. Forget FEDEX, it'll end up in Indonesia and you'll get it back 2 weeks on Tuesday because they have the wrong tracking number. That's a private jet (100K flight). Get it through customs, put it in a van to the track. Suddenly you're at least 12 hours behind every single other team you're racing. Unacceptable in F1. It might have worked in the 70s and 80s, but not anymore. Probably sponsored by Tide or Wendy's (neither product available in Europe I think?) .
"The only team that's based outside the UK is Ferrari" I thought Sauber was in Switzerland and Scuderia Toro Rosso was Italian?
They are. Toyota was in Germany (Cologne), BMW had a considerable amount of engineering done in Munich (I know a guy who was in their engine development team there).
Logistics are of little concern IMO as more than half the races are fly-away races anyway. Everyone is pretty much in the same boat. Where the UK based teams would spend equal times driving to a race in Europe, a US based team would spend equal time and just fly there like they would everywhere else. I seriously don't think it matters.
Brain fade . But still the point remains, they're all based in Europe still, and all of them more or less on the same ''width band'' of the world. Middle-western europe (or whatever I'm supposed to call that). I completely disagree. How many times have we seen that a European based team, in a European race, only has one or 2 new wings for instance? If they lose it, they'll have to go back to the old design because there are no parts available. It's going to be MUCH harder for the American team to get their stuff on time. When USF1 was trying to happen, almost all experts voiced the same concerns. The only way this can sort of work is if they open a second facility in Europe where they can send the CAD designed thing to and get it build there. Simple digital format and all that. If the US was such a good place to have your F1 team at, more would be based there. But it's not, so they won't.
Pretty skeptical on this news. Although I am excited to see this possibly happen. I think if Haas is involved it will definitely fair a better shot. I agree there needs to be an overseas facility. Its the only way to make it work. I also think a major stumbling block from a marketing standpoint, is why does it have to be branded "GO USA F1!!!!!" No other team on the grid is super shove it down your throat "GO ENGLAND or ITALY. Its just a known fact of their history and/or drivers nationality. Its not the Olympics...its Formula 1. Many people here would totally back an American team, but to name it USF1 or something along those lines is quite arrogant. Espeically because they might be at the back of the grid or not even get on it!
The Autosport report mentions that he's already got a base in Brussels, Belgium. It's not the UK, but it's close...... Dallara to build the car though? Seems a little sketchy to me. They've certainly got the facilities, but I thought you still had to do it yourself? I guess it's another grey area that can be worked around should his entry be accepted. Incidentally, just applying for an entry is a pretty expensive exercise - He must be serious. I too am of the opinion that basing it in the States would be a logistical disaster. Cheers, Ian
Yeah, where the heck would Dallara build the thing anyway? Not exactly easy for them to up and build a factory in Belgium unless special permission were granted to allow Dallara to be called part of Haas racing team so to allow manufacturing. Does this mean Haas is going to make a move on Dallara?
Doubt that. One of the reports I read said it would be designed by Haas, probably in Charlotte, but the tubs at least would be done by Dallara. I guess you're now allowed to sub-contract that work? No idea what 'the base in Brussels' is doing. I still think your life is made much, much, easier if you're based in the UK. Specifically, somewhere around Silverstone where pretty much everyone else is. Don't forget Bernie rents the planes for the flyaways and IIRC, they typically leave from Luton. Sure, Ferrari, Sauber & STR illustrate that it can be done elsewhere, but why make yer life more difficult?.... It's hard enough as it is! Cheers, Ian
