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Twin Commander 500/680

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  1. Paul S

    Paul S Karting

    Dec 7, 2006
    179
    Florida
    Does anyone have experience with either of these aircraft. I am in the market for a twin commander and would like some additional information about each type...Have heard quite a bit of negative feedback on the geared motors which were used on the 680 but I am attracted to the additional performance and load of the 680 vs the 500...
     
  2. planeflyr

    planeflyr Karting

    May 27, 2006
    174
    While not personally or directly familiar with issues surrounding geared engines, I do understand that they add quite a bit to the maintenance and overhaul budget.

    I do know about one story a long time ago where the owner of a Queen Aire landed in a GA airport in Nebraska (I won't mention the name) with a sick engine. When he researched what the engine would cost to overhaul, he simply handed the airport manager the keys and said "It's your airplane" and left. The engine cost more to overhaul than the Queen Aire was worth!

    Not sure if that applies to the Twin Commander or not but it could possibly be so as well.

    What about a Shrike Commander? I don't think they contain geared engines. (someone correct me here if I am mistaken)

    Planeflyr
     
  3. Paul S

    Paul S Karting

    Dec 7, 2006
    179
    Florida

    The Shrike does not use the geared motors, you are correct. The 680 does and they are supercharged providing 380hp each side and increasing the gross weight to 8000lbs. The 500 Shrike is a 165-180 knot airplane while the 680 with its greater capacity for load and longer range (260 vs 156 gallons of fuel) is a 190-210 knot airplane. I like all of the associated factors of the 680 except the gegared motors which I am a bit concerned about. I have been told they are a bit more to maintain and overhaul. Looking for someone with first hand experience to help me gather infor before I go off on a tangent. The greed for speed should be balanced by dependablility and reasonable cost of ownership......
     
  4. planeflyr

    planeflyr Karting

    May 27, 2006
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    I believe the Commander 680 was the first Air Force 1 which was commissioned for President Eisenhower.

    Planeflyr
     
  5. Paul S

    Paul S Karting

    Dec 7, 2006
    179
    Florida
    Yes...That is correct. They (Commander) actually flew the aircraft to Washington on one motor to prove its safety. They did this with the prop removed from the critical motor and stored in the baggage area for installation upon arrival. They departed, climbed out and completed the flight as a single engine aircraft. Pretty nice aircraft........
     
  6. planeflyr

    planeflyr Karting

    May 27, 2006
    174
    I thought so. For a time that aircraft was here in Colorado at J.W. Duffs boneyard. I don't know if it's still there. It was several years ago and he likely sold it. I hope so, and I hope it went to a museum somewhere. It would be an undignified ending for such a historic aircraft.

    Planeflyr
     
  7. donv

    donv Two Time F1 World Champ
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    You don't want a 680. Trust me on that... it was a great airplane for it's day, but unfortunately that day was 40 years ago.

    A Shrike is a decent airplane if you need a large cabin, but the performance isn't great. I've got some time in Shrikes, and I've never really cared for them. And they're getting awfully long in the tooth as well.

    I'd go for a Baron 58 in that class, myself, or a Seneca.
     
  8. airfoil

    airfoil Karting

    Feb 1, 2008
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    You are looking at antiques, why not look at something with great potential for investment and fun. A friend of mine had one twenty years ago, they are not unavailable, when clean, they appreciate in value and draw a crowd everywhere: BEECH 18. Warren had a Volpar conversion (nosewheel), and it was SWEET. (Think: SKY KING ).
     
  9. donv

    donv Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Didn't Sky King fly a 310?

    However, I agree-- a Beech 18 would be cool. Get a tailwheel version, though!

    I have several friends who flew cargo in those Volpars-- they all hated them, but I think it had more to do with the mission than the airplane.

     
  10. airfoil

    airfoil Karting

    Feb 1, 2008
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    His first songbird was a B18. He switched to the 310 quickly, I think because of noise and how distracting it was from He and Penny. Bill
     
  11. Gmaper

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    If I remember correctly, I believe his first airplane was a Cessna T-50, aka Bamboo Bomber. The T-50 was a twin in appearance only as the props were not full feathering and if you lost an engine the remaining one just extended the time before impact.
     
  12. airfoil

    airfoil Karting

    Feb 1, 2008
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    That could well be, I was eight years old I think. But I fell in love with the 310 and all Cessna twins watching Sky head off the bad guys. Thanks. There's a T-50 in a pile at our museum, I couldn't find any Bamboo, but an awful lot of Spruce, Fir, and Pine.
     
  13. Gmaper

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    That reminds me that we always had fire bottles at the ready when the engines were being started because a backfire had a tendency to engulf the entire airframe. Ruins your whole day.
     
  14. Bob Parks

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    i seem to remember that Sky king flew a bamboo bomber when he first came on the air ( tube) and switched to the all metal twins afore- mentioned. I have flown the T-50 twice, not checked out in it, and I liked it very much for its solid stability on two engines and being fun to land. When I was working at Sarasota airport in 1947 one of the operators used one as an ambulance airplane until until the fabric blew off the top of the fuselage one flight when a patient was being transported. Both survived the flight but the airplane was relegated to another job. I flew it after we repaired the cover.
    I crewed two Beech AT-7's at Hondo and they also were good little airplanes but they now have to have the center section spars beefed up and that is ugly.
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