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Peter Mann (ChalStrad) has a CS and an LaF. I don't know what else he has. He does not like the Scud at all citing the front end performance. He races (raced?) 458 GT2s and GT3s for AF Corse in 2014. I would imagine, being an LaF owner, he has driven everything in the catalogue, but don't know that for a fact. He might be your best bet. I believe he prefers even the base 458 to the Scud, so I would imagine the Speciale would be his preference as well, but don't want to speak for him.
I think he's trying to say he hasn't been paying attention. Bc he's tried of being right all the time (with you guys) That's how I read it...maybe I'm wrong.. But I chuckled a bit haha don't take too seriously
Not sure I get it, if it's about the looks and sounds of the CS over the Scud, the 16M is just a convertible Scud with the same "inferior" exhaust and looks. Or is it really about the potential investment factor?
I traded a CS for my 16M in 2011. Great as the CS was the 16M is simply more exciting to drive! The joy of driving when behind the wheel is to me is the only reason to own these cars. Sorry to disappoint some forum posters but it isn't about the 16M being faster (as often said on here there is always something faster) but rather that it simply makes you feel more special when driving at any speed - this ability to reward is something the CS also does very well and is the reason so many owners are passionate about their cars. If the reward of simply driving is what you want then it doesn't come any better than CS/Scud/16M but they aren't without compromise and clearly most Supercar owners choose something slightly easier to live with - after all, anyone buying a new Ferrari/McLaren/Lambo etc could buy any of these raw cars but chooses not to, they are not to everyones taste. Different drivers look for different things in cars, I have 2 friends who have bought Ferrari track cars (1 x CS & 1 x Scud) on my recommendation after brief outings in my cars and both have been unable to live with the cars long term and moved them on after only 3-4 months (now own 458 & 12C). So in answer to the OP's question, yes I have traded my CS for a 16M and not regretted it for a minute BUT I do agree that due to the nature of this type of car the possible list of replacements that I would consider is actually very small and most are monetarily out of my reach. To everyone who really gets this sort of car - enjoy the drive!
Trying to say "which car is better" seems like an exercise in barking up the wrong tree. For me these cars are all great (CS, Scud, 16M) so it is more about how they are different and what kind of driving experience you want. You ask why 16M and for you it sounds like your hot button is exhaust sound and you like the particular sound of the CS. For many others, the top down experience in such a visceral car provides for a special driving experience. Especially with that transmission. Does not take anything away from the CS or Scuderia which are both great in their own right and offer something a bit different. However neither offers the top-down experience combined with the more focused nature of the car. This exhaust talk is a little hard for me understand as a primary reason to choose one vs the other because there are other differences that are more significant in the sense they can't be changed. In the scheme of things exhaust sound on the scud /16m is easy to tailor to your liking for minimal cost relative to the value of the car. Even better changing the exhaust is typically a significant performance enhancer (weight loss and a little power) and is completely reversible with none of the reliability issues of other types of mods. Once you get the sound you like--it completely envelopes you when the top is down--a unique experience for sure. Listen to some S-line clips.. That setup hardly leaves one "wanting" for a more special sound.. There of course many other choices.
No, it's not about the investment value. My CS has already provided that but that's not the reason I buy a particular car. My perfect car, if there ever was such a thing, would be a Spider CS. Unfortunately they were never made. I just think the top down experience on a spectacular performance car would be the perfect sports car. Again, I realize the Scud or 16M are not as beautiful as the CS (sound or looks). Others who have made the switch from the CS to the 16M don't seem to have any regrets.
Yea, the Scuderia sounds God awful... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t50.2886-16/11539558_702104153249165_1919997945_n.mp4 https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xap1/t50.2886-16/11066385_1551188955140681_1851441259_n.mp4 I had a full Tubi CS too, sounded nowhere as F1 as my Scuderia. If you're speaking stock vs stock perhaps you have an argument but when properly unleashed, zero contest the Scuderia is miles ahead.
Until last week, I had every intention of trading up the CS for the new F12 GTO/Speciale/VS (whatever it is called). Every time I mentioned it to ANYONE, they all (100% of them) said "No!". I don't think I qualify for the new F12 limited edition, but now it is 50/50 if I get a spot. ...or I still could just get a 430 Scuderia and round out the trio!
I don't consider my cars as an investment, but I wonder if trading in a CS for a scud (and getting cash back) would be wise from an investment perspective. CS values have popped (sell high) but scud values are just beginning to appreciate (buy low).
Means a lot when CS owners are still holding on when they could trade up for something newer, faster but they are NOT.. They are obviously in it for the long term reward. And I'm not just talking $$$ wise..
The truth is there is a sweet spot in power. I have a CS and an F12 for example. Frankly the F12 is overpowered and the F12 VS (which I will get if I can, don't get me wrong) will be even more overpowered. CS might just be one of the greatest driving cars ever, when you take into account the performance (MORE than enough), the experience (sensational) and the sound (outstanding). This is a car that is literally laugh out loud fun.
IMHO for what it's worth..You can do that but the CS is a long term hold if you want short term game, buy the SPY in the 198 zone (if we get there today or Monday) Good for minimum 3-7 day position..I think it goes lower eventually tho.. Ok no more... don't wanna get off topic. Its difficult for me not to bring up investing when dicussing the CS haha sorry
I trust you enjoyed driving home Slowly in the CS with no torque to speak of, unless you have it 7K++, beautiful car but needs a SCUD engine
Look...I more than anyone KNOW the CS lacks power. It is anemic compared to everything else I own. I tease our other local CS owners that I think my car is firing on only half it's cylinders it is so slow by comparison. BUT at the end of the day, the CS does not need a Scuderia engine. A Scuderia has a Scuderia engine. The CS is what it is. No point bashing it as being slow as back in the day it was at the bomb. Still is for many here who don't car about HP. If fact as it has been repeated over and over, if power was the end all measure, no one would ever want a 288 GTO, a Daytona, a Dino, a 275 GTB....and so on.
Sure but its all relative, the CS is massively gutless at low rpm, shall we post the drag video with the SCUD again, where you can't even see the SCUD by the end as its completely out of sight ?? I love a drivers car but outside of the track, the CS simply doesn't qualify & I really don't think the SCUD is a GTR or a Corvette, its just a better FERRARI
