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  1. Divexxtreme

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    SF90 is the 2nd fastest production car ever tested on the Top Gear track. Only car that has gone faster is the Koenigsegg Jesko Attack. The 992 GT3 RS was just tested and was 3.5 seconds slower.

    The SF90 is 4,000 lbs as driven, yet still laps faster than everything else except a 3,100lb dedicated track Koenigsegg (road legal) with massive downforce and 1280-1600 hp depending on fuel.

    It has also bested every road car from McLaren (including the Senna), and everything from Lamborghini during track tests. The SF90 isn’t even trying to be a track car. It’s really more of a mid-engine, 2-seat GT than anything else. It’s absolutely amazing, and in my opinion is the best car under a $1M. Ignore the haters.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Top_Gear_test_track_Power_Lap_times
     
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  2. LMP

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    We absolutely love ours , its not going anywhere:)
     
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  3. Caeruleus11

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    To be fair, the car at the top has “Attack” in its name- I bet thats worth a second or two :p
     
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    where is the Senna on the list?
     
  5. Divexxtreme

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    The Senna isn’t on this list. Top Gear apparently never tested it. However, the Senna has been tested on 3 tracks that the SF90 has also been tested on (2 dry tracks and 1 wet track), and the SF90 was faster on both dry tracks. I’m sure with better wet-handling tires, it would have been faster on the wet track as well.

    https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/en61ma83dtrc

    McLaren Senna /
    SF90 Stradale
    Mortefontaine 1:24.70 / 1:22.86
    Autocar Wet Handling Track 1:17.70 / 1:21.10
    Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:03.80 / 1:03.60
     
  6. LVP488

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    The SF90 has the advantages of being more recent (if only by a few years, progress still exists in the automotive world) and having more power than the Senna; so it being faster is not so astonishing, even though the Senna is an ultra limited hypercar and the SF90 is a regular production supercar.
    The GT3 RS may be defined for the track, it's still a road car and has a power deficit that can only leave it far behind.
    The SF90 actually puts a regular production car into hypercar performance territory, even before all the performance metrics shift as they usually do over time.
    From this point of view the SF90 is a genuine bargain, but I suspect buyers of either hypercars or regular production cars have different priorities (the hypercar buyer is not looking for a bargain, and the supercar buyer may want a car easier to live with).
     
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  7. Also, don't forget the improvement in tire technology.

    That alone can account for 1-2 seconds difference. (See CGT at the Ring).
     
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    #8 Divexxtreme, Dec 26, 2024
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    Sennas came with Trofeo R’s, which I believe have been shown to be faster than the Cup 2s that come on the SF90.
     
  9. I don't think that blanket statement is true.
     
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    it may not be, but a 4,000lb, AWD hybrid is still running faster laps than McLaren’s most track-focused production car, one that only weighs 2,886 lbs wet, so it’s a win for Ferrari regardless.
     
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  11. The SF90 is also at least about 5 years newer.

    So there's that too..
     
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    #12 Divexxtreme, Dec 27, 2024
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    LOL, you edited your post from 7 years to 5 years and you’re still wrong. Senna’s first model year was 2019.

    Regardless, the 765LT, Artura, 750S, and STO are all as new or newer than the SF90, yet the SF90 is a faster track car than all of them. The Revuelto will probably be the slowest of all of them.
     
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    senna actually faster than the sf90 around the track despite having 200hp less
     
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    #14 Divexxtreme, Dec 28, 2024
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    Good find. Another comparison.

    So that’s 2 races for the Senna and 2 for the SF90 Stradale. The Senna, a track-focused car that weighs over 1,000 lbs less (it’s one of the lightest supercars you can buy), and has massive aero that can create 1760lbs of downforce, yet it still loses 50% of the time to the SF90, which is a GT. It’s honestly embarrassing for McLaren.

    The SF90 XX is Ferrari’s true Senna competitor, and it’ll embarrass the Senna even worse.

    I just noticed you’re from the UK. Now it makes sense why you’re trying so hard to defend the Senna.
     
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    I wouldn't say it's embarrassing for the McLaren, it's just that they have different missions. That the Ferrari can hang with the Senna is impressive given its GT bonafides; and that the McLaren can hang with the Ferrari is impressive given the power difference. You could have both cars and enjoy different experiences.
     
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    Let me clarify. If I built a RWD, track-focused car with just under 800HP, that only weighed 2,800’ish lbs, with aero so aggressive that it creates 1,750+ lbs of downforce at 155 mph, that crushes the Pista on all 8 courses they’ve both been timed on, but it loses half of the time around a road course against a 4,000lb GT hybrid with almost no dedicated aero bits, I’d personally be embarrassed.

    Maybe McLaren shouldn’t be embarrassed. But I certainly don’t think they should be proud.
     
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    To be fair the SF90 Stradale is far from a GT; it is bona fide supercar. That said, it is was not meant to be a track monster. The Senna was also on Pirelli Trofeo R, a much quicker tyre than the Cup 2s of the Stradale.
     
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    it’s a bona-fide “GT supercar”, with hyper-car performance, hence its prowess around a road course.
     
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    the senna came out 2 years prior to the sf90 and 6 years before the sf90xx

    I don't think mclaren will be embarrassed at all that a 1000hp hybrid was faster on some tracks in some circumstances

    the senna is absolutely wonderful to drive on track and you can feel agility in its lightness
     
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    I’m embarrassed for them. It’s a pathetic showing for their “fastest track-focused road Hypercar” (their words).
     
  21. I know if given the choice between a Senna or a SF90 (or SF90XX), I would take the Mclaren every day of the week, and thrice on Sunday.

    And I have two F cars sitting in the garage currently.
     
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    Cool. But the thing is your opinion is irrelevant to the above facts. Not only does no one care what car you’d choose, it also doesn’t change the fact that Senna doesn’t perform nearly as well as it should, or the fact that the SF90 performs far better than it should.
     
  23. Well, obviously you care enough to respond.
     
  24. Divexxtreme

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    Of course. It’s my thread. You only come into threads in the SF90 forum to try and discredit the SF90 in any way you can. You came into this one to try to argue that the Senna is a far older model than it actually is, again, as a way to discredit the SF90, because you can’t stand the fact that it not only outperforms your Pista, but also every production road car from McLaren and Lambo. Unfortunately for you, you were wrong and you made a fool of yourself. Now, when you don’t have any facts to back up your arguments, you resort to subjective opinions like you’d “rather” own a Senna. So yes, I responded to remind you that feelings don’t trump facts, and no one cares what you’d “rather own”. If you don’t want to get called out, stop being a troll.
     
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    You don’t think his weighing in with his Senna preference is on topic for this thread? I mean isn’t this a discussion forum right? It’s not like he was complaining about the NY Giants winning a meaningless game yesterday and, in the process, forfeiting the number overall pick in the draft. In the end, you can both love the Ferrari brand and not be a SF90 apologist. Those two facts are not incompatible.
     

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