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To CPO or not CPO, that is the Question. What is it worth?

Discussion in '360/430' started by dlopez001, Nov 12, 2011.

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  1. dlopez001

    dlopez001 Formula Junior

    Sep 25, 2007
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    The "Buyer Beware: 146563" thread prompted me to start this thread...

    Suppose you were given a chance to purchase a 430 through Ferrari's CPO program (plus 1 yr Power warranty) vs. non-CPO for less $$$. What is it worth to you? $1K? $3K? $6K? Is it a no brainier to go for it? If given the option, should you always go for it?

    I took the CPO description below from Ferrari Silicon Valley's website. So it looks like a vehicle would get thoroughly inspected, interior & exterior reconditioning / full detail. It'll sure look pretty for the showroom floor. Another description is available here: http://www.autotropolis.com/certified-pre-owned-programs/ferrari-certified-pre-owned-car-program.html

    SOME QUESTIONS:

    1) Aside from being too old or having too many miles, why would a vehicle NOT be eligible for CPO? Assuming parts are available, everything can be repaired/reconditioned to CPO standards. I guess the selling dealership would at some point determine repair costs to be too high, and would rather just sell a car non-CPO (i.e., playing the highest profit game).

    2) Do accidents / bodywork exclude a car from being eligible for CPO? Is this even part of their 101 point inspection? What about a front re-spray due to rock chips? Perhaps as long as the bodywork repair is of high quality, then it is acceptible by CPO standards. But is this acceptible to buyers? A related question, if a car has been resprayed, and subsequently clear bra'd, how can one even tell?

    3) Does / should a CPO vehicle = a clean, "no stories" vehicle? Supposedly it goes through title inspection and service history verification.

    4) Would you still pay the $500-$700 for an independent PPI? I think per the CPO 101 point inspection they have to do a compression / leakdown test already.

    Thanks,

    DL

    CPO DESCRIPTION
    "The Ferrari Approved Certified Pre-Owned Program encompass an array of wide-ranging checks and Factory supported coverage for cars up to ten years old from date of first registration. Available only at Authorized Ferrari dealers.

    As the owner of a Ferrari Approved Certified Pre-Owned vehicle, you have the reassurance of knowing that you are driving a Ferrari that has been inspected, serviced and prepared to Factory specified standards as follows:

    The car has passed an extensive technical inspection that includes a 101 individual mechanical, electrical, bodywork and interior checks, including a professionally road test. All subsequent work has been expertly completed by Ferrari trained technicians using only Ferrari Genuine parts.

    Every Ferrari Approved Certified Pre-Owned vehicle undergoes a title inspection and a Service History Verification to validate that the car has been properly maintained and that all regular servicing has been completed.

    The vehicle undergoes a Pre-Sale Preparation to ensure it is compliant to Factory standards. The exterior paintwork and interior trim are restored to a condition appropriate to the vehicle’s age and mileage; the car has been thoroughly detailed inside and out."
     
  2. arenared

    arenared Karting

    Dec 22, 2005
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    Silicon Valley
    I think the CPO is worth what you might value the remaining portion of the power warranty plus "some" inspection.

    1) If car is still under manufacturer's or previous warranty, dealer will get Ferrari to pay. Note also there is a big difference between actually CPO'ed and CPO'able vehicles which ads seem to throw around without much consistency/accuracy. I was told that to be CPO'ed, it must have at least 1 year manufacturer's warranty remaining. Note that it might not have that or the extra 1 year power available to you since it could have been sitting on the dealer's lot for 1.5 years.

    3) CPO does not equal "no stories" in my book. Examples:
    Scud #1. Under CPO. Faded carbon fiber coolant tank not replaced.
    Scud #2. Claimed CPO'able in ad, but thankfully salesman was clean. Was Ferrari Driving Experience car AND was a buy-back from Ferrari under lemon law for electrical problems.
    Scud #3. Under CPO. Was FDE car. Appeared to have crazed/cracked CF headlights, but dealer insisted it was just clear bra.

    So, my opinion is that CPO only means to some basic level of mechanical/performance fitness. Other items may or may not be replaced such as anything cosmetic or considered wear and tear unless bad enough.
     
  3. Zinger

    Zinger Formula 3

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    #3 Zinger, Nov 12, 2011
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2011
    The short of it is this in my opinion. I know you are asking specifically about CPO but follow these steps in the purchase to make it smooth and enjoyable. Its how I purchased mine


    Find car you want
    Review records/history
    Go see and drive the car//dont buy sight unseen,(whats a day and a plane ticket vs. cost of a Ferrari?) Many buy sight unseen, I would NOT
    Negotiate pricing
    Get a PPI
    Buy warranty for piece of mind. I would not drive a Ferrari without warranty, but thats just me.

    I did this for my 08 F430 and I am happy

    Good Luck
     
  4. dlopez001

    dlopez001 Formula Junior

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    Zinger,

    Makes sense. Your straight forward advice is appreciated! Even with CPO, independent PPI makes sense!

    Thanks,

    DL
     
  5. gilly6993

    gilly6993 F1 Rookie

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    I decided to go with a CPO over no CPO even though there was quite a price difference.....I am also already planning on buying a new warranty a year from now.....the piece of mind of having a warranty is worth it for me.....
     
  6. HH11

    HH11 F1 Rookie
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    +1. The peace of mind is worth everything. Coming from a pair of Porsches made me scared at first. All those cars needed were gas and oil and 1 battery. Knock wood the F car has been perfect.
     
  7. Hkpooh

    Hkpooh Formula Junior

    Nov 11, 2011
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    Zinger, how much did you pay for the PPI ?
     
  8. cubbyman60

    cubbyman60 Formula Junior

    Apr 24, 2004
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    I think the CPO is purely for peace of mind motoring, but that can be very valuable if it helps! However, you're probably best off getting a PPI, making sure the services are up-to-date, and putting away the money for the warranty (at least 4k?). The chances of having service costs that the warranty will actually cover in the one year, which probably excludes a lot of expensive repairs like sider tops etc, exceed the 4k is unlikely. Moreover, if you continue it each year, at my 4k and own the car for, say, 4 years, that's 16k dollars for the CPO status. At that point, it's even more unlikely to have 16k in repairs over four years. Just my opinion. As, an aside, it would also be frustrating to pay for the CPO program for one year only to see an expensive repair pop up in year two of ownership.

    Also, if you by a car from a certified dealer, they are probably likely to work with you on repair prices if a repair is needed soon after you purchase the car.

    Good luck.
     
  9. Masher44

    Masher44 F1 World Champ

    Jan 15, 2008
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    I Bought it for a year just for peace of mind. Put 4k miles on my car last year with no issues. Did not get it again. My mechanic checked everything three times and said I'm good. Saved about 8k. If my car breaks, I'll fix it.
     
  10. m.roberts

    m.roberts Formula Junior

    Nov 2, 2009
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    Hah!
     
  11. Masher44

    Masher44 F1 World Champ

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    I saw your scooter damage.... NOT covered under warranty lol
     
  12. ChipG

    ChipG Formula 3

    May 26, 2011
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    As a retired dealer it is another profit center for the dealership. A PPI from a non conflicting dealer is the way to go, a non conflicting PPI is a must IMO.

    I can buy F430's all day long that don't pass CPO and for $300 I spend on them (and my time) they will pass their 'very well defined' "array of wide-ranging checks."

    Make sure you don't get one that was from a rental car company titled to another name to protect resale value, it happens a lot.
     
  13. Zinger

    Zinger Formula 3

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    #13 Zinger, Nov 13, 2011
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2011
    Well I have to be honest, $0.

    What I did was demand the report from the 101 inspection from the selling dealer and also had reports of brake and clutch wear. The example I purchased only had 3400 miles on the clock. The car also went through a full service fluids change prior to putting on the showroom floor and I read the report on that too. I also viewed the car in person and made my own inspection of the car visually and had a good indication of how the car was cared for, which was great. So technically I did not do a PPI, however, with viewing and driving the car for a long test drive myself, and the information I obtained above, it passed the test for me. Clutch wear, brake wear, visual inspection and many items within the 101 inspection are all items covered in a PPI.

    My advice was to get a PPI to the OP. I still think this is very important especially for higher mileage Ferraris and cars where the potential buyers are buying sight unseen.

    So if I purchased my car sight unseen I would certainly do a PPI but I sort of did my own in a way, if that makes sense....I am no expert but I learned a lot of valuable information on this forum and felt good about my "investigation stage" of the purchase.

    Ultimately it comes down to being aware and educated on what car you are buying......I felt with mine it passed the test and with warranty coverage in place, I think I made a great decision!!

    Back to the OP's question regarding CPO, DO IT! In my opinion it makes the car more enjoyable to drive and own. These cars are rock solid but their are forum members from time to time who do run across pricey repairs. When my CPO ends 7/30/12 I will be buying another year of coverage.................

    I have put 1200 miles on my car in 6 months and no issues thus far. I know, I need to drive more!!!!! Actually going for a nice Sunday drive today, once i get off this addicting forum :)
     
  14. Kouki Monster

    Kouki Monster Formula Junior

    Feb 26, 2007
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    CPO? i am lame, the only CPO i know of is a 3-CPO
     

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