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  1. 2cam

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    Using the search function, it looks like it's been awhile since there was a "tires" discussion in the Mondial forum. ;)

    So, what are you guys using for tires (or tyres if you prefer...) these days? The Yoko S.Drives on my Mondial are a bit worn and in need of replacement. Michelins are the go-to of course, but more than anything, I'm curious if you guys are using a Summer ultra performance tire/tyre or an all season ultra performance. I have Continental Extreme Contract DWSs on my Carrera now. They're decent, but I'm not in love with them. I would just opt for a Summer Ultra, but there are days around freezing (nice weather, but cold) that I really enjoy getting my car out for a drive. I'm not sure if a Summer Ultra would be best for that.

    What suggestions do you guys have?

    Thanks!

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  2. M. Brandon Motorcars

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    I just put the Pirelli P7 on my recently acquired 88 3.2 coupe.

    https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/car-light-truck/find-your-tires/product-sheet/cinturato-p7

    I'm not a huge fan of Pirelli tires, but they're Italian. And they look good on the cars from the 70s and 80s, even though they have nothing to do with the original P7 from that period other than having the same name.

    One word of warning: don't put some ultra-performance modern rubber on one of these cars. I made the mistake of putting the Bridgestone RE-11 on my 89 328 GTB a few years ago, and while the tires are amazing, they sort of ruined the feel of the car. Modern high performance tires are "too good" for the chassis of these 70s/80s Ferraris. You can't slide the car around at all; way too much grip. Sort of takes the fun out of the cars.
     
  3. Wade

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  4. gsfent

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    I am partial to Michelins. They are usually a bit pricey, but they are always very round and ride well.

    I would select the A/S 3+ all season tire if I was replacing the Mondial tires (assuming they are made in the proper sizes). I put the older A/S (no 3+) on my Mini Cab because it is a slightly softer ride, although less ultimate grip. Since ultimate grip is not an issue, it works for that car. You might prefer the A/S if you are running a Cab. Personal preference.

    My other performance car got the new Mich P4S. Not driven in anger in the rain, and no issues of freezing or snow here! :) Short of tracking the car, that is all the street tire needed for any thing with "reasonable" amounts of power! ;)

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  5. Mark C Harvey

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    Wise words from Mr Brandon I suspect. So much joy to be had from a tire that allows a progressive loss of traction and a reasonable amount of (over) steering by throttle. There is great balance and feeling in these cars through the steering wheel and seat of pants that would be wasted by very sticky rubber. Mr Brandon, do you have advice when shopping around i.e. other tires apart from the P7? go for a 3 season? a particular compound, or rating?
     
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  6. ATLdoghouse

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    FWIW, I'm running Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's. Even taken the T girl on the track a few times with these and they hold up and perform very well.
     
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  7. djs308

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    I currently have those Conti's on mine, which is what it had when I bought the car. These are summer tires. I think they're ok, but I don't push them to the limit. I'd be ok with buying a new set, but I would definitely go for the All Seasons, due to the cold temps in the winter, where I live. As long as the roads are clear, and being mindful and careful until the car's temps come up, I will drive!
     
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  8. 2cam

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    Great suggestions everyone! Thank you. Wade, that's a fantastic chart! Michael, I was tempted by the Pirellis as well for the same reasons.

    I just realized that I called the Continentals Extreme "CONTRACTS". Work is busy right now. Maybe it's bleeding over into the subliminal for me. ;) Also, the Conti's that I have are actually the DWs and not the All Seasons. I've spent a bit of time on one of the Porsche forums this evening and will probably go with the Michelins as suggested here or with a set of the Conti AWSs. They both seem to get great reviews on the Porsche forum.

    Thanks again!

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  9. davem

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    My Abarth which funny enough came from Texas had Pirelli summer tires. Seemed fine in even below freezing temps here. So probably ok for Texas.
    Most of us will have tires that time out before wearing out. So I'd buy the most aggressive tire, but that's me. Only thing that stopped me from Toyo 888's is when hot they throw lots of rocks up since they are so sticky.
     
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  10. moysiuan

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    Pirelli P7 All Season Plus for me. Great ride quality, low noise, and grip in wet and dry, good linearity when they break away on a nice drift onto an on ramp. They also have a sidewall and tread pattern that looks good for these cars, kind of vintage like. Price is good too. Makes sense they were OEM on various Mercedes cars, and comes in the proper OEM sizes for the Mondial.
     
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  11. Allen S.

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    I've gone through a couple sets of the Continental Contacts. No complaints. I understand they now have a sport version of that. About due for new tread and may go for the sports next.
     
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  12. Longstone Tyres

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    It sounds like you don't have the TRX rims on your car. But for those that do hopefully this link will be helpful

    https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/classic-car-tyres/ferrari/mondial.html

    they are in stock and it is generally free carriage.
     
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  13. decardona

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    I love the look and feel of the tires that you chose. They have enough grip to push them and enough play to break them free when you want to. I've put about 5000 miles on them and they still respond well. Although by the end of the next driving season, I'll have to replace them.
     
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  14. Longstone Tyres

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    Well done. I have to make a living you know.

    I wonder what people consider a reasonable mileage for tyres on a Ferrari Mondial https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/classic-car-tyres/ferrari/mondial.html

    Another thing to consider is these tyres will probably last longer than you think. The first millimeters of tyres wear quite a bit quicker than the last millimeters. As the tread blocks are taller they move more and scrub more and generate more heat, all of which increases wear.

    Generally i think people consider the TRX tyres to be very durable, so i would be surprised if you found yourself getting considerably better mileage on a different tyre. We sell more TRX tyres to people replacing old rubber than people that have worn them bald. (which is a bit of a shame)

    I have put some pictures of the technology at the bottom that demonstrate. one of the advantages of the TRX is the rim profile which means as the tyyre flexes under load it creates a less complicated flex in the side wall, which among other things diminishes the heat which improves (again among other things) durability.

    I would beware of change for changes sake.

    For instance buying a new set of wheels to get cheaper tyres is not necessarily good economics, If you think it is going to benefit because you think the TRX wears out quickly i think you will be disappointed. specially if it effects the drive of the car.

    For track use, yep stick some taller wheels on and wider lower profile tyres, but for road use the TRX are perfect, and just the way Maranello designed it.

    (TRX look cool)


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  15. Wade

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    They were also a significant improvement over the Continentals before them, both in ride and handling.


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  16. paulchua

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    Just speaking on the Ts - I had the Advan Neova (best grip, but very low tire life)
    I currently have Bridgestone Potenza, grip not as good - but they last longer!

    Cheers
     
  17. Longstone Tyres

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    I know this sounds weird. but it isn't all about grip. specially on older cars.
     
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    I have BF Goodrich Sport Comp2, used to have Yoko Advan Neova R8 (stop making them)

    I've tracked them both as well.

    I felt Yokos had more grip, but harder to feel when you will lose your tail

    The BFs last much longer and announce their intention to lose traction.

    Probably safer tire for my skill level.

    Just my experiences, hope this helps!
     
  20. paulchua

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    Not weird at all, all depends on how you drive
     
  21. srephwed

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    I put Hankook Ventus on my car. 360 staggered rims. Front tires are half or better. I will soon be on my third set of rears. Gonna try uniroyal this time. I don't do firery burn outs but do drive spiritedly. I suppose the limited slip makes it almost like a straight axle and it is scrubbing the tires off
     
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  22. 2cam

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    I ended up going with the Cooper Zeon RS3-G1s at a bit less than$100 per tire. They get good reviews, they're fairly quiet, they stick, and look good (the sidewalls look appropriate for the Mondial). I've had them on the car for less than 6 months, but am very happy with them so far.

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  23. Allen S.

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    Will be scrubbing in this new set this weekend.
    BF Goodrich G-Force Sport Comp 2 Ultra High Performance Summer Tire.
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  24. Allen S.

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  25. paulchua

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    Hello Allen,

    These are what I have on now as well. I think they perform reasonably well. They last relatively long too. I have two points of reference; the original that I had (those were plain garbage, I think I've repressed what they were from my memory because I no longer remember the brand)
    & the Advan Neova R8s had better grip - but seem to last 60% as long.

    These are a good compromise.

    Cheers
     
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