Tire truing new Michelin XWX

Im not sure how your spending $ 2000.00 for 4 tires on your 308, and then having to shave the rubber off ?? Are you joking ? lol Ive been buying tires for my 328 for 23 years and 84,000 miles , as well as a multitude of other vehicles, and this is the first time I have ever heard of this, no disrespect to you, but something is seriously amiss here. A while back, I used to have a guy speed balance my tires while they were on the spindles, but not for 20 years or so. I spent half of that money for 4 Conties which are sized at 255 45 17 and 245 45 17 s 9 " and 8 " wide and much better than the ones you just payed twice as much for. These tires are just as good as the P ZEROS I have been using for 22 years, mounted and balanced with no need to shave the rubber off.

Thank you ,

 

You gotta love the work of a true craftsman. Not many around can do this anymore I bet.

 

Does this process replace the need for weights? It seems like that is what the weights are for to counterbalance both wheel and tire irregularities.

 

Gino
Do you have to do any special alignment putting those oversized tires/wheels on your 328? Just curious. Thanks.
David

 

Hey there, for 22 years I was using 17s on all four legs with 245 s in the rear and 235 s in the front @ 7.5 wide for all four rims, no need for any special alignment, just the 4 wheel alignment for the 328. I have Compomotives now, 9 " in the rear , 8 " in the front with the tire sizes that I mentioned . My 328 is an 89 , the Compos were made special for the ABS on my car . My Ferrari really has fantastic grip ! I thought Mike Tuason had a similar set up on his 308 with the Compomotives, whatever the case may be, his car looks incredible ! .

Thank you,

 

Im glad it worked our for you

 

For years we had to shave tires to make them round .... the big tires for mud trucks. For the most part, tires are much better than 20-30 years ago

 

I don't know anything about Michelin XWX and I'm very disappointed you had to cut the tread: I didn't need to do that on two Michelin TRX sets I got, who were as expensive and as old as XWX.

This said, I do appreciate your effort to have a full factory specs car: it costs some money, but in my opinion it's worth the cost.

Ciao

 

you got bad tires

 

I wonder if a modern road-force balance would have cured this. Most high end mechanics do that by default nowadays, if they can afford the machine (https://www.hunter.com/wheel-balancers/road-force-elite/). Twice, I have had tires installed at a tire shop or car dealer that had a vibration, and taking them to a local shop for a road force balance cured the problem.

 

I wondered that as well. More than once, I've had a tire that I couldn't get to balance without a very odd weight placement; we'd pull the tire, change the position, then road-force it.

If it wouldn't balance at that point, it was either a bent rim (seen that a lot) or a bad new tire (seen that too.)

I know shaving is a regular thing for large trucks and racing, but passenger radials - no, I just wouldn't accept a $500 faulty new tire.

 

New or not, 14”, 390mm wheels, 16”, or 17” wheels, I always have it Road Force balance and it always work fantastic for me.

 

I had a thread on that.

The lost art of tire truing aka (tire shaving) | FerrariChat

 

Like everything else, tire prices have dramatically risen over the past 6 months. Of all brands, Michellin tires are normally well balanced on their own.
Curious as to the production date stamped on the side...maybe they were simply stacked for some time and a little out of shape from that. Once they're aired up and used they take shape...kind of like when your car sits unused for some time...tires flat spot and will round out once you drive for a while.

 

Out of round is out of round....and not connected at all, to balancing.

I always watch at a safe distance as they spin my new tires up as a 40 year old cast rim can deform as well if a minor impact has occured.

 

These "new production" 14' XWX sell for about 300 euros apiece here in France, so 1.200 euros for the set of four.
A full set of 16' modern Michelin for the 328 is "about 550 euros".

Rgds

 

They can correct/compensate for that with a road force balance. Rims are usually out of round too, and the process will take both into account to find the optimum mounting. Roundness and balance are two different effects but the net result is vibration which can be corrected out (usually -- some tires/rims cannot be corrected).

 

They aren't Michelin tires, They are Coker tires with a Michelin name

People who have cars they trailer around to shows buy coker repros of old name tires. That what the Coker tire is designed for, trailer queens. The reports of them being good on the road are iffy., no matter what brand car.

Best thing I ever did was go to 17" wheels and modern V rated tires. Smooth as glass to over 140 MPH.

PS: a set of four 17" V rated tires was just slightly more than the price as one, Coker Michelin XWX

Doug

 

Honestly, and with the best intentions - not here to start a war of words, etc...I don't think that the Michelin XWX classics are manufactured by Coker.
Disclaimer: it is true that I'm french; I'm also happy that in Michelin, France has a company leader in its field...but I'm not much of a fan of the company itself (which, occasionally, might, from time to time, acts somewhat a bit like in "The Firm", the 1993 Sydney Pollack movie, with its personnel...secrecy is paramount at Michelin...) Its products, however, are first rate.

Difficult to know where the new XWXs are actually manufactured, but should you go to the "Michelin Classics" site, you would see that they take great pride in the quality of these new manufactured XWXs and their quality control, etc...clearly, these tyres are not second-rate nor an afterthought to them: they state that, performance wise, these are second to none. Clearly not designed as "hangar queens" socks.
At least that's what they say.

Perhpas Dougal, from "Longstone Tyres", who is active on this forum, would know?

Rgds