Time up for Binotto?

Even if Binotto is a problem, the car is no where, and whoever you get to sort it out, will continually look less than good.

 

History will always remember the team / driver that won William, it was the same in the golden years for Ferrari but the [most] wins were hard fought with McLaren and later Williams providing good competition, except 2002 when it was a near whitewash.

The problem Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton have is respect, given that the FIA has hamstrung the opposition so there isnt any competition, even Wolff yesterday conceded that they need to be challenged and broadly recognised to the world that it is hollow. That's not to say they havent done a good job, they have, but if you put a hole in the racket of someone opposing Federer then the undoubted victory is shallow and most fans would agree and acknowledge that.

Personally i would call that cheating or gaining a unfair advantage, we should reflect on how they got that advantage (dont like the conspiracy theory, its to obvious) and any victory by Mercedes team and driver/s is worthless as the opponents havnt a chance in hell of winning when saddled with a crooked bat and told to use it. Thats just my point of view and the reason i now hate F! after being enthralled by Ickx in the 312 in 1972.

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I think Mercedes and Hamilton have plenty of respect in the paddock, even if (strangely) not from the Ferrari fans here.

The rules are the same for every team, only the money is different; and Ferrari get a bigger share of the pie than anyone else. So if they are not competitive, they only have themselves to blame and if the sport is diminished as a result of their incompetence, we only have them to blame.

Whatever Ferrari were doing with their engine last season gave them a power advantage that covered up the inadequacies in the rest of the car. Now they have been force to revert whatever they were doing, the poorness of the car has been completely exposed. Yesterday they seemed to be even slower than the Alfas and Hasses which use the same engine (but have slower drivers). Ferrari are now so far behind it will take them several years to catch up. But that's what they have to do, just like Honda and Renault have had to in the past.

There is no quick fix and firing people won't solve the problems. What they need is stability and a culture where the talent can be nurtured and thrive without threat from the politics.

 

And it has begun.

Thanks Bozo for dragging the team down.

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Mercedes and auto-union were heavily financed by the Nazi government in the 1930s. The difference in average was colossal with Alfa and the others. Again, it’s not just a question of statistics but also context.

 

Why does it mater where the money came from?

The teams still had to engineer and build class leading race cars.

 

If the money comes from nazis, it does matter.

Anyway, I´ve read that nazis only covered around 30% of the budget, the rest came from the manufacturers themselves. I suppose racing for them was more about getting on well with the nazis than about getting their money. Their budget was indeed colossal compared with Alfa´s, specially in the case of Mercedes.

 

This matters when the underlying discourse suggests that success is directly related to the ethnic origins of competitors. To sum up the Germans are doomed to win in their own genetics and the Italians to lose. History shows that it is a little more complicated than that ..

 

Please keep commentary about Nazi financing of race teams to that subject and not political ideology.

 

But the initiators of these comments are the bearers of political ideology. Why not warn them first?

 

Does it really? "Money doesn't smell" is the saying borrowed from Emperor Vespasian who taxed urine ! "Pecunia non olet" in latin.

From 1932, the future chancellor intended to subsidise a German racing effort to fight the Italian teams that received support from the fascist regime.
He had Mercedes in mind, the sole international contender then, that also had many nazi sympathisers in its ranks.
Auto-Union came on the scene in the mid-30s with their P-Wagen, and the nazis had to share the budget allocated to Grand Prix between 2 German teams.
Mercedes and Auto-Union each received roughly 30% of their budget from the government, but on top of that, Mercedes received indirect support from the nazis.
To help with its business, Mercedes received government contracts: orders for trucks from the Wehrmacht or the Post Office, for cars from different ministries; most official cars were Mercedes, etc ...
The board at Auto-Union wasn't so close to the regime, and benefited from no such favour.
Some Audi officials were in fact seen as opponents by the nazis, but not to the extent of refusing the government contribution !!
Elly Beinhorn, Berndt Rosemeyer's widow explained it well in her memoirs.

 

Very interesting.
Not many people are aware of the Mercedes history ( Lewis ?)

 

In the end it also came down to Hitler liked racing - he liked to go fast... Wherlin the MB director who gave Hitler his cars - bullet proof limos... also had them fitted with huge superchargers so when they were on the open road the cars would really fly... Hitler also liked to ride shotgun because he liked the roar of the engines.. he also used to wear that stupid leather skull cap... in cars and on planes. he liked to fly as well. As they got closer to the war years he rarely was driven much - and usually in a closed armored limo... but when he was campaigning and first years as chancellor he would be in the autobhan a lot.. .MB was behind the Right wing groups, and provided subsides to the Nazi's during the elections... so Hitler was paying them back with some of the subsides - and also highlight German Technology. Prof. Porsche was at MB, then went to Auto Union ... and Hitler liked him - VW- KdF wagon etc... In the book Inside the Third Reich Speer talks about Hitler and cars ... and tells a story about Hitler and his driver chasing down big American sedans on the autobhan and roads... how the American cars overheated, but the Benz was solid as a rock... Hitler just saw Racing as the ultimate way to showcase German technology of the time. Both Mercedes and AU had cars that could go over 200MPH in the late 30's! on wheels that were only 7-8 Inches wide!!!!

I think the note about Auto Union being anti Nazi is a bit far from accurate.... until the 30's they were making lots of small cars.. and Horch was the luxury division against Mercedes Benz... today if you can find any Horch - its $$$$ compared to similar MB. Prof. Porsche was the energy behind the AU racing team...

Also interesting side note - Von Brauchitsch ( sp?) was the Nephew of the German General staff officer....when he fell out of favor and was sidelined. both the general and his family were not very welcome after that.... Manfred was an East German olympic organizer... he was a bit of a tragic figure.

 

Is this thread about Binotto or pre-war history?

 

It was about Binotto, but the nazi thing is just an intermezzo. In the end it would be about how idiot Hamilton is, like all the rest of the F1 section.

 

Very very funny

 

Ok, enough with the Nazis.

What’s happening in Maranello?
Ferrari are tweeting to their fans asking for support.

 

Bashing on the Italians has become a bigger sport than F1 in this section. How Ferrari are still able to keep the lights on must be just pure luck...

 

Well maybe history will repeat itself. The Americans have already entered the fray. Hopefully we can get some Russians involved in a second front and topple those Austrian led Germans........


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Cars at the front of their parade look kinda same already but this time they’ve got the English working for them

 

This is the sort of interview that makes my blood boil, stating the obvious. Perhaps we have a translation problem here but a disaster is to follow.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/news/binotto-ferrari-in-the-middle-of-a-storm-but-no-crisis.1836/

Who signed up to the freeze..........you did.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Binotto was finally replaced for the 202 season, once his role as lightning rod for Ferrari will be over.
All the criticism is channeled towards him and there is no need to replace him until the team recover some competitivity.

 

The timing of this situation was terrible. Bad luck, I suppose. With the COVID and the delay for the new cars, if they want to replace Binotto it has to be now, but if he stays, he has to stay till 2022.

Decisions, decisions. Elkann and Camillieri seem to be less agressive than Marchione, so I suppose he´ll stay.

 

I think Ferrari is prisoners of the secret agreement. As well as the two years of penance that will follow..