The Tesla Plaid Will Smoke Every Car Ferrari Makes for $150k

When I read stuff like this, it makes me think about the fact that on The Ring, that 1000+ hp piece of cheap leather and plastic is 6 seconds slower than a Panamera with half the power. I suppose that really shows how slow and inefficient the Tesla is as a drivers car.

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A 2 second drive in the plaid will make it apparent it's not a drivers car at all

The plaid is the result of an experiment, almost a ten year long one

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I’m on ludicrous mode all day long and accelerate every chance I get! Range is low but damn the car is fun! And yes brakes suck, but you learn to compensate.


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Apparently it smoked every car on the Felicity Ace!

 

Unfair to compare a next-gen car (Panamera Turbo that hit it at 7:30) vs the S which is sitting on a decade-long platform.

Not that the time posted was embarrassing - 6 seconds longer is not that bad on a 7-minute track.

Also, consider the price. The Porsche is $30,000 more. (or in percentage 20% more expensive)

Remember, we're just at the second inning of electric.

 

Yeah, I mean the S is not something I would choose to carve canyon roads. There's the next batch of 2,000 hp dedicated sports cars for that.

I get it, for some - that's too much and too fast and too scary. Just always surprised to hear it on a Ferrari chat board, I always expected it on say Priusforum.com.

I also find it interesting the next batch of ICE cars 1,500 hp + can't seem to qualify for 'road use.' Damn crash test safety laws...

 

Not at all unfair. That Panamera shares most of its chassis components with the previous model. It is no different than what Tesla has done. They revised the suspension, changed the aero, and installed a whole new driveline with all new management. Also, 6 seconds is a lot on the Ring when you are comparing tjmes in the 7:30's. There would probably be over a full second between them on Spa by comparison, if not more. The Ring favours the power of the Tesla as well.

It is what it is. The Tesla is a fat pig on track and from a performance GT perspective, it can only be described as mediocre at best.

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In racing 6 seconds is a huge margin over a single lap--even if the lap is the 'Ring

A 10 lap race you'd be a minute behind; aka obliterated

In the 2021 F1 season, if you take all the races Max (1st) and Lewis (2nd) both finished, there was less than 10 seconds cumulative difference between them over 18 races.

 

I run into alot more stoplights on my daily drive than I do race tracks. Tesla's are amazingly fun to blast away from a stoplight in. So its a great car to have as a daily driver.

If you're going to be driving on a track, why the heck would you be driving a 4-seat sedan? Tesla, Porsche or anything else?

 

Yes, but a Tesla Plaid or any battery operated vehicle, cannot do 10 laps without being depleted.

 

Well if that's the car you have, and you want to have some legal fun with it. You should see what they run on the Nurburgring.

 

wasn't going to even bring that up...

no way they can sustain the 7:36 for even the 2nd lap...

 

I would like to be on that one lap though. If the tires can keep the cornering grip and balance, it would be one heck of a rush with the immediate power.

 

You're right, 1 second is an eternity in F1. So given the SF-1000 was worse than that behind the silver arrows - is the SF car trash? C'mon now.

The usual lap times I see in F1 are around 1:30 - (short as 1:10 at Hunger-er I'm mean Red bull ring) or 1:46 at Spa

Armchair racers shouldn't be embarrassed they hit Laguna Seca 1.30.9 versus 1.30.1

Let's take the average of highest/lowest - so say 1:28

The Porsche hit the Ring' at 7:29.81 - the garbage truck (as folks here like to call it) at 7:35.58

1.1 seconds per lap on a typical track. Keep in mind, electrics do BETTER on shorter tracks. Not exactly debating if electric Lemans (or Lemons) are superior.

 

nope, second gen is on MSB, first gen D1.

Yes, I don't debate that the best ICE 4 door car today is faster by 6 seconds than the fastest 4 door electric on the 'Ring - sure - I yield. I never argued otherwise. I simply pointed out one car is on a 10-year-old platform that is $30,000 (20%) cheaper.

I simply mention since price and age tend to have a correlation to performance.

Sure, I get it - an 296 is faster than a 458, and a 430 is faster than an F355....

I understand - I don't dispute that in the 80s, a landline was superior to one of those first cell phones that look like bricks in a suitcase.

I agree.

I knew then that cell phones were the future, I distinctly remember folks telling me they will always be too expensive and will cause cancer...

 

Paul, I've peripherally followed this thread, and I'm not sure why it is so heated. I have a Model X on order for the Mrs. I'm not arguing what's the future--I'm just pointing out the title of the thread: "The Tesla Plaid will smoke every car Ferrari makes for 150k" is 100% untrue

1. If your race is 0 - 60; is the closest to being true here. How fast is the SF90? It's sure close, probably a bit slower; however, it would probably also beat a modern F1 car to 60 as well.
2. If your race is 60 - 0; no modern Ferrari would lose.
2. If you are doing an endurance race; the plaid doesn't stand a chance.
3. If you are doing a single lap around the 'Ring; the Plaid is 2.5 seconds faster than a 10 year old 458. Cars that it won't "smoke" include: Giulia QV (honorary Ferrari, 4 sec faster), 812 SF (7.5 sec faster), Enzo (11 sec faster), 488 (14 sec faster), Pista (35 sec faster). Haven't seen an SF90 time yet, would suspect its faster than Pista

In my opinion, all around fastest platform for a car (currently) is a hybrid. Look at LeMans and F1. Formula E is just not there yet. Energy density of current battery tech is too low and hence, the batteries are too heavy. In my opinion, once the batteries can carry a higher energy density--this is when the hybrid platform will not be the fastest.

I don't recall talking about cell phones???....

 

Not exactly true, Electrics do better on shorter tracks that have a lot of braking zones and regen opportunities. The regen is the most important item and if the track has a balance of braking zones and regen optimization, electrics will do better.

 

Avus? Absolutely Electrics will die. I won't even go into Nascar tracks. I admit I'm a bit biased, my preferred tracks have things called 'turns'.

I mean, don't take my word for it. Have you seen what Randy Pobst has been doing? He's not exactly an 'EV greeny.'

At the end of the day, whether it be Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, Dunnville, hell the Motortrend figure 8, to see a full-size 7 seater sedan on a 10-year-old platform hitting those numbers is pretty impressive (to me at least.)

If the most folks can muster back as a rebuttal is that a next-generation car that's 20% more expensive is 1% faster on a 7.5-minute track. I'm even more comfortable with my position.

It should be clear as day that some folks are in denial.

As to why? Beats me, I applaud track time superiority. I would argue that Enzo himself would as well. That doesn't mean, I pooh-pooh a Dino over a Tesla Gen 1 Roaster. I prefer the former, but I won't deny the roaster will destroy it on a single lap.

Walking and chewing gum is okay to me.

 

You don't think that the extensive use of cell phones and the associated radiation is not harmful over time? Seems logical not that the multi-trillion $ telecom industry would want such a thing discussed.

 

One other thing that I would like to point out in regards to the 458 vs. Plaid time is the choise of tyres. Was that 458 on Cup 2's? No. Was it on MPS4S? No. Was it on MPSS? Nope. It was on Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tyres. A tyre which debuted in 2003, if not 2002. The Tesla? Was on MPS4S shoes. Aside from that, there has been a ton of track revisions over the past three years which have made the Ring faster than it has ever been. Go there now and put MPS4S tyres on the 458 and that Tesla won't know what hit it.

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Here is my question

If a Tesla Plaid S and a Ferrari 360 stick were both sitting in the lot and you could choose ONE to drive all day, which would it be?

Would anyone actually choose the Tesla?

 

Tesla Plaid yadda yadda- So if Rosie O'Donnell could run a 3.9 second 40 yard dash would you marry her?

Nuff said ....

 

Our posts, point and timing was identical- See mine right after yours I like yours better but mine (potentially) is funnier

To your post obviously the Ferrari- Any Ferrari- Pretty much any car- I would take a 77 Trans Am over a Plaid- or a Geo Metro- or ...

If Tesla hired some asthetically-focused DESIGNERS instead of a bunch of snot-nosed coding geeks then maybe they could produce something like the Porsche Taycan or BMW i8.

You can put a brick in a shoe box and throw it out of a plane and it will definitely accelerate quickly- But who cares?

 

oh, you did not go there bandit…

I will ride shotgun with you. Give me that 6.6 liter behemoth any day. It’s big, it’s heavy and it is nostalgic…

 

Ha!! Nice! You're in!! Now we just need Jerry and Sally ... and Fred of course