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Discussion in 'Portugal' started by ClassicFerrari, Feb 6, 2006.

  1. Candide

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  3. AlfistaPortoghese

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    Hello Candide, good afternoon! How are you?

    I'm not sure but I will ask around using the chassis number. Don't know if that particular car was based in Portugal at any given time of its history, but I'll try to find out.

    Kind regards,

    Nuno.
     
  4. Candide

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    Olà Nuno !

    All is fine down there, THx, hope you too.

    And, Obrigado fo the update.

    Best,
     
  5. Christian.Fr

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  6. Candide

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  8. Candide

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    Feliz e Prospero Ano Novo!!!
     
  9. NEP

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    Portugal's 2017 January - December Italian Car Sales

    FIAT - 12 022
    Alfa Romeo - 888
    Maserati - 52
    Ferrari - 20
    Lamborghini - 4
    Lancia - 2
     
  10. AlfistaPortoghese

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    Merci beaucoup Candide! Bonne année a toi e ta famille!

    Unfortunately I still have no news regarding that Maserati you mentioned and inquired about a couple of weeks ago, but I'll keep trying.

    Nigel,

    Thank you very much for taking the time to share those numbers with us. You're a legend! It's not always easy to have a clear picture of sales figures here in Portugal, and I for one am always very interested in that data.

    For a country of roughly 10 million people, I'd say the presence of italian cars is strong. It could certainly be better, as the FIAT group some 25 years ago was the undisputed sales' champion over here, but still I take great satisfaction in learning that those numbers are picking up after the financial crisis/bailout program.

    20 new Ferraris sold in one fiscal year in Portugal (country of 10 million souls) is actually similar to the number of Ferraris sold new in Brazil (country of nearly 210 million people), according to your data that I thank once again (18 until November 2017). I know it's not a great comparison to draw, the two countries being so very different from one another, but goes to say that sales per capita in Portugal aren't as low as I imagined.

    Sad news about Lancia though. A brand with such a relevant, rich and distinct heritage is dead, for all intents and purposes.

    Kindest regards,

    Nuno.
     
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  11. Candide

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    Obrigado, Nuno.
     
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  13. NEP

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    Your Welcome.


    Portugal's Ferrari sales since 2000:-

    2000 - 24
    2001 - 25
    2002 - 23
    2003 - 10
    2004 - 11
    2005 - 18
    2006 - 10
    2007 - 17
    2008 - 16
    2009 - 31
    2010 - 23
    2011 - 19
    2012 - 10
    2013 - 9
    2014 - 15
    2015 - 19
    2016 - 17
    2017 - 20

    2017 Monthly breakdown:-

    Jan - 2
    Feb - 1
    Mar - 1
    Apr - 4
    May - 2
    Jun - 1
    Jul - 3
    Aug - 2
    Sep - 0
    Oct - 2
    Nov - 1
    Dec - 1
    Total: 20

    Across the 'Pond' 2017 January - November:-

    Mexico - 90
    Brazil - 18
    Chile - 8
    Puerto Rico - 6
    Argentina - 4
    Colombia - 2
     
  14. NEP

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    Brazil's Vehicle sales have been declining since 2012, where as Portugal's sales have risen.

    Total Vehicle Sales (Cars / Pick-Ups / SUVs) for Brazil - Portugal

    2012: 3 634 629 - 111 320
    2013: 3 576 037 - 124 123
    2014: 3 325 949 - 168 992
    2015: 2 478 704 - 209 361
    2016: 1 987 497 - 242 220
     
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  15. Candide

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    Figures are always interesting.
     
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  16. NEP

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    Brazil had two sales in December 2017, thus ended up equal with Portugal at 20 new Ferraris apiece.

    2017 Brazil breakdown:-

    458 - 4
    488 GTB - 5
    488 Spider - 5
    California - 5
    F12berlinetta - 1
    Total: 20
     
  17. NEP

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    The 2017 Portuguese Ferrari model breakdown not out as yet (All model cars / suvs / busses / trucks / tractors / motorcycles etc. tabulated, so takes time).

    For interest 2015 breakdown:-

    458 - 1
    458 Special - 1
    488 GTB - 4
    488 Spider - 0
    California - 7
    F12berlinetta - 3
    LaFerrari - 0
    FF - 3
    Total: 19

    2016 breakdown:-

    458 - 0
    458 Special - 0
    488 GTB - 4
    488 Spider - 6
    California - 5
    F12berlinetta - 1
    LaFerrari - 1
    FF - 0
    Total: 17
     
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  18. AlfistaPortoghese

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    I thank you kindly once again Nigel, for sharing the data and taking the time!

    The California is practically the best seller in our neck of the woods, and I suspect that is so not just in Portugal but pretty much in most European markets. I'm not surprised, particularly the T is a great all rounder. Though I'm clueless regarding UK sales, I bet there are more Ferraris sold in the UK in a month than in Portugal during the whole fiscal year!

    Kind regards,

    Nuno.
     
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  19. F430Modena

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    In 2017 the sales numbers was 21 cars:

    488 GTB - 5 (one is 70th aniv. car)
    488 Spider - 4
    California T - 1
    F12 Tdf - 4 - one for CR7 (sold by Ferrari Porto , but register plate was spanish)
    GTC4 Lusso- 5
    GTC4 Lusso T - 1
    812 Superfast - 1
     
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  20. AlfistaPortoghese

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    Grande Tiago! Fonte inesgotável de conhecimento, como sempre!

    Curiosa essa enorme discrepância de preferência entre o V12 e o V8 turbo! Ainda não tive oportunidade de experimentar o GTC4 Lusso, mas acredito que a disponibilidade, refinamento e suavidade dos 12 cilindros suplante o fulgorante 8 cilindros turbocomprimido, pelo menos num GT 2+2.

    Um abraço.
     
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  21. F430Modena

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    Grande Amigo Nuno,

    Não posso facilitar :)

    Grande abraço e bom ano
     
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  22. F430Modena

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    488 GTB - 6 (one is 70th aniv. car)
    488 Spider - 4
    California T - 1
    F12 Tdf - 4 - one for CR7 (sold by Ferrari Porto , but register plate was spanish)
    GTC4 Lusso- 5
    GTC4 Lusso T - 1
    812 Superfast - 1

    Mais um 488 GTB que tinha esquecido de adicionar :) fazendo 22 carros registados.
     
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  23. FerrariBoyCb

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    Estive a ver o site da Ferrari, no mapa nao aparece o Porto, e nas vendas, nao aparece já a equipa que anteriormente existia, houve mudanças em Portugal?
     
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  24. AlfistaPortoghese

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    João,

    Pelo menos em Lisboa, as pessoas com quem tive oportunidade e prazer de travar conhecimento permanecem as mesmas.

    Desconheço se administrativamente se procedeu a uma mudança de monta, ou se existiram mudanças no Porto.

    Todavia, faço a ressalva que os sites oficiais Ferrari nem sempre são fiáveis ou estão actualizados, como é o caso da secção reservada a proprietários.

    Um abraço.
     
  25. NEP

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    2018 January - February Portuguese Ferrari sales:-

    Jan - 0
    Feb - 3
     
  26. AlfistaPortoghese

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    Bom dia a todos,

    Partilho artigo da edição digital do “Jornal de Notícias”, pois parece-me ser do interesse geral alertar a comunidade de proprietários para este tipo de práticas e riscos a que qualquer proprietário está sujeito, nomeadamente num eventual negócio de compra e venda entre particulares:

    https://www.jn.pt/justica/videos/interior/dono-de-ferrari-burlado-acabei-por-ceder-e-deixei-o-levar-o-carro-10751513.html

    Faço votos de que esta história conheça um final feliz e que a justiça prevaleça, bem como que todos os proprietários se encontrem a salvo de situações similares. Ninguém merece passar por uma situação destas relativamente ao seu património. Quanto mais informados todos estivermos, mais fortalecida e menos vulnerável estará a comunidade de proprietários como um todo.

    Um abraço.
     
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  27. amenasce

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    Oi Pessoal!

    Vamos vir a Cascais esse verao para um mez. Vcs sabem se tem algum evento de caros para eu levar meus filhos? Em Cascais os Lisboa?
     
  28. AlfistaPortoghese

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    Hi Andrew, how are you? Sorry for such a late reply. Although most members have quit the subsection, sooner or later someone always ends up replying.

    Are you already in Cascais? How long are you planning to stay? There may be indeed some interesting car events you can attend, depending on the dates and/or if you're able to travel within Portugal.

    Anyway, should you need any assistance, please feel free to reply or send me a PM, as I'll be more than happy to help.

    Kindest regards,

    Nuno.
     

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