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Discussion in 'Recreations & Non-Period Rebodies' started by WILLIAM H, Mar 18, 2004.

  1. tongascrew

    tongascrew F1 Rookie

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    Jim, I know you are busy doing wonderful things but please catch up on your reading. Thanks just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
  2. thecheddar

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    #1827 thecheddar, Mar 29, 2012
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    NINETY-TWO contentious pages, always at the top of the forum. And they said this topic shouldn't be in the Vintage section?!

    IMHO, the vigorous debate over various definitions, rules, guidelines and other means of classifying the cars at issue belies the core enabling "problem": Freedom. When there is such enormous demand for anything, (be it diamonds, art, a physical attribute or a car), a tipping-point is achieved and the freedom to recreate that thing or experience will create a marketplace. The interest in vintage Ferraris expressed here in this forum and the resulting rise in values has created a truly inevitable marketplace for reproductions, replicas and whatever each of you prefer to call these non-original machines. To my eyes, it's no different than the fake Italian villas popping up in neighborhoods of McMansions. Or art on the walls inside them. Or the fake breasts of the occupants. Apart from limiting one's personal or private property freedoms, there's nothing that's going to change that.

    But since so many of these machines lie in gray areas (using original Ferrari parts, often substantially apart from body panels) and since many "original" Ferraris are, in fact, substantially made of non-original parts, it has simply grown too complex for "definitions" or "classifications" to solve for. With even values of "non-originals" reaching enormous sums now, seeking to find a conclusion or reconciliation among those with wildly varying interests strikes me as fruitless.

    For me (and *certainly* not for everyone here), the "vintage experience" is what I prize most -- the sight, smell, sound and feeling of the car itself. The history of the brand, model and individual original machine would be a vital psychological benefit for ownership, but honestly it's a bit less important to me than those visceral attributes. That leaves the door open to non-original machines, should I enter the marketplace. When people like myself are passionate about these cars but of more mortal financial means, three things will happen:

    1. The desire for this experience will drive prices of originals further out of reach, marking the only classification that will matter.

    2. The interest in vintage Ferraris will rise and the ideas shared in this forum will expand.

    3. The market for non-originals will grow.

    I'd apologize to the purists but it won't change anything: Our collective interest in the classics is at the core of the non-original discussion, it's here to stay, and it will continue to drive the vigorous & healthy debate about vintage Ferraris, however we may define them.

    2¢ of Cheddar.
     
  3. MSPV12

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    Well said!
     
  4. tongascrew

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    I could have written this myself but probably not as well. Thanks for your omments. Having a recognised place for replicas and reproductions will never silence the storm but might offer a harbor of refuge for them. just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
  5. gtospoons

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    I should have got back to you 6 months ago to thank you for putting me in touch with Sergio Castellani in Italy. We did a good deal, the instruments arrived quickly and some minor problems were quickly solved. They are on the car and working well. Thanks again,
    Chris
     
  6. reholmes

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    #1831 reholmes, Jul 7, 2013
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    I've tried to contact these guys several times with no success.
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  7. tifosi12

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    #1832 tifosi12, Jul 7, 2013
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    Nice replica. Looks like it's off a Corvette. Oh wait, you're from Phoenix. I think I know where this one is from. :)

    If you need some add-ons like the toolkit, let me know. I sold my replica and have some things left over.

    If you need to get in contact with the club, let me know as well. I still have their emails etc. and occasionally they have some of the Jag based cars for sale.
     
  8. VIZSLA

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    Steering column looks vetteish.
     
  9. tifosi12

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    Yup. Interior is always the easiest way to spot a replica in general.

    There are other clues like door handles, mirrors, windshield rake and of course the missing triangular side windows.

    But I'm nitpicking, there is a LOT on this car they got right: Exhausts, lights, seats (check the headrests, perfect), door interiors, wheels.
     
  10. JeremyJon

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    #1835 JeremyJon, Jul 7, 2013
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  11. Daytona Rick

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    You are right that is a Vette based replicar.
     
  12. Protouring442

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    I've always wanted to do one using the cockpit, windshield, door, and top "tub" from a TR7/TR8 convertible. The TR7/TR8 cockpit has pretty much the right width, and the windshield frame and top have a fairly correct look about them. Put the whole thing on a custom chassis (probably from the Roadster Shop), using Corvette C5/C6 transaxle and suspension. I don't know what I'd run for an engine... BMW or Mercedes V12 maybe? Anyway, it's all dreaming in the end.
     
  13. John Se

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    #1838 John Se, Jul 17, 2013
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    He built the car you described using tr7 windshield doors windows top in the 90's, He made around 8 I believe, they used C3 runing gear and chassis but a very close to tru dimension body. They come up for sale every now and then.

    This car is called cambiano, and is sitting in a guys yard I know, is for sale, it was a pretty neat combo from about 1994. It is dimensionally accurate and uses Daytona Glass all around which is very expensive.
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  14. John Se

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  15. Protouring442

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    Pretty cool... I probably read about the windshield thing somewhere.

    I wonder how much the guy wants for the "Cambiano?"

    Thanks for the info!
     
  16. GBTR6

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    Hey, hey, Bears fan. Once you guys get a quarterback, maybe you can talk.

    Perry
    From Titletown, the only one.
     
  17. CornersWell

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  18. merstheman

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    Quite an important car, irrespective of it not being (or ever trying to be) a Ferrari. Time will tell if 9MM is the right price for it, but it is certainly a one of a kind automobile.
     
  19. CornersWell

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    Important to a degree, but acknowledge what it is and what it's not. Obviously, the market will determine pricing.

    CW
     
  20. omgjon

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    #1845 omgjon, Jan 22, 2016
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    I bought this car recently. I bought it with no motor, but I'm putting a Fiat Dino Spyder 2.0 into it. No plans for racing, but making necessary changes to make it street legal. The design is truly a work of art. I am in need of some correct wheels as it currently has 15 inch wheels.
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  21. rdefabri

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    That is cool! Is it a kit or something you built?
     
  22. omgjon

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    It was built by Norwood in the late 80's for Joe Marchetti. Later sold to Doc Murphy in Chicago who use to race it.
     
  23. tifosi12

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    Fantastic!

    Congrats on the purchase and keep us posted pls!
     
  24. nschots

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    Saw this s#%t today in Tokyo. Anyone knows the s/n of this probably 250GTE? [​IMG][​IMG]
     
  25. kare

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    Looks like 2901.
     

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