The Misguided Mythology of Ayrton Senna

Indeed, the absence of the internet at the time has prevented us from supporting the human stupidity that is spreading on social networks today.

 

Yes he would be alive if the suspension hadn’t pierced his helmet. I guess it was his time. To this day I still miss him even though he would be long retired .


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The piece actually pierced the very upper portion of his helmet visor itself.

 

We can still have our own opinion about Senna, and mine isn't favourable.

You may consider him as the GOAT, but Senna wasn't unfallible, witness the "Vettel like" spin ithat eliminated him from the race in Brazil

 

Oddly enough u can be a bit of a bully urself being suspended for insulting jpalmito comes to
Mind We all can be myself included!!I can see ruthless competitor, arrogant... but bully?Ask Eric Comas if senna was a bully.
And the vettel like spin... please they all have some like that


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Ouch! With all due respect, that's not a smart comment. Do you really believe that a triple world champion, probably the GOAT until then, didn't know how to judge that???[/QUOTE]

He was not immune from bad judgement, as history shows. I remember watch the race when it happens and an announcer commenting on this very issue of the tires having cooled way down because of the safety car, and Senna getting on it before his tires warmed up.

 

He was not immune from bad judgement, as history shows. I remember watch the race when it happens and an announcer commenting on this very issue of the tires having cooled way down because of the safety car, and Senna getting on it before his tires warmed up.[/QUOTE]

Investigation proved it wasn’t that... plus they were all getting on it at restart. Schumacher must have been within 1 second, hill a couple seconds behind.


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Not really. I recall reading that the crash was fatal in 3 parts:

1. The suspension piercing
2. The impact itself
3. The tyre hitting his head back to the headrest, after the initial head movement forward, probably causing skull fractures

I sincerely cannot recall where i read this, but it seems, none of the above was survivable. Imagine getting all 3 at once.

For me personally, Senna's luck just ran out that day. He probably pushed the car beyond it's limits.

 

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Piquet and Berger had an accident in the same place and both survived. I do not believe that the impact was fatal for Ayrton but his destiny was undoubtedly against him that day..

 

Wasn't Senna's FW16 steering column modified so Senna could fit better before the race which Newey (designer at the time) admitted was a "flawed" design hence Senna going off track and hitting the wall??

 

Indeed, the steering column was found broken at the point where it had been machined. But that itself didn't prove a thing.

The enquiry couldn't determine with certitude if the steering column had failed, and caused the crash, OR if it broke as a result of the impact?

 

The conclusion from the Italian investigation was that a failure of the steering column caused the accident, but both Newey and Head denied that, arguing that there was a failure at the rear of the car before the crash, and that the steering column modification did not take place just prior to Imola but actually before the first GP. It was removed to be inspected after the second GP, and put back in the car before Imola which was the third GP.
Still, a technical failure is the most likely to explain the crash - the car simply did not turn, and as far as I can remember it was braking as much as possible before the crash.

 

Newey, in his book "How to build an F1 car" admitted to the faulty design and takes blame for Senna's incident.

 

There have always been dirty tricks played by drivers on track.

What I see in recent years is more clumsy and reckless driving due to the Mickey Mouse run-off areas and ultra safe carbon tubs.

Jeopardy has been removed.

 

Honestly nowadays guys aren’t win at all cost. They are more focused on Instagram... only one I kinda see like that is max


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I feel lucky to have even read this post, thank you @spirot. To the somewhat younger Fcrowd (if i may) it would seem that on the surface you have the movie, to the mid-level enthusiast you have cutthroat-Senna and gentleman-Prost, in all likelihood you have both possessing both qualities; perhaps all over the spectrum, and then you have me choosing to believe they admired each other for exactly that.

Though i must admit i actually took Prost’s side after the Senna film.

Also how fascinating is it that Lewis Hamilton cites Senna as his inspiration...


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Yes, I honestly expected him to undo his belts and be pissed about crashing out of another race. Clearly, something much worse happened.

the tire hitting his head would conceivably cause a basalar skull fracture, but the suspension penetration removed any doubt. Fate had its mind made up regarding Ayrton.

Regarding the article, great, great driver. Certainly entitled, a completely different cat in how he carried himself. Otherworldly reactions and feel for driving. Out-spoken and hyper-serious, rude, arrogant, entitled, spiritual, complex.

A more “exciting” driver than Prost, which appealed to many (like G. Villeneuve, to me). For Alain, Senna was insufferable because there was only winning at any cost. Prost was calculating, clean and gentlemanly. They went together like water and potassium. But as champions there was at least respect (tepid, though it may be). Where the Senna film hurts most is with those who were not around at the time and rely on a “documentary” to fill in the blanks. There, Prost is unfairly portrayed as a politically-charged villain and it casts an unfair scar on a remarkable career...that said, Senna certainly felt that Prost went to the officials to do his bidding (I was always a Senna guy because of style but respected Prost as a 5x WDC. You don’t just “get” 5 titles.) (Note: I still believe Balestre was an ass in his situational judgement...but Prost was protesting allowing a driver to ram his way to victory as precedent setting).

Note that Ayrton was being hailed as “the greatest ever” prior to his tragic death. I think the original article suggests the sentiment was being lavished on him post-mortem.

 

Fans love cults. Senna is now a cult, worshiped at a level much higher than his actual driving skills. For all his poles and wins...he ended up dead with three WDCs and Prost is still alive and with four. Stewart's and Lauda's titles equal Senna, and they showed better judgement. Schumacher and Hamilton and Fangio all surpassed Senna's titles and survived their time behind the wheel. A piece of suspension pierced his helmet and combined with the tire hitting his head, ended Senna's life. Senna's car bottomed out going into the turn, that caused it to veer off course (whether it effected the steering or not). It bottomed out because was riding ever so much lower because the tires were not warmed up. Senna's misjudgment caused the accident and bad luck did the rest.

 

Alonso and Max are possibly last of that breed.

 

Once, I heard someone say Senna was the James Dean of motor racing.

I didn't find that very flattering.

 

I now know why Yslish warned u on another thread of your posts.
What you are saying is for the most part plain stupid.
Prost and Schumacher drove way more races and
Seasons than senna. So they achieved more , in more time.
Senna wasn’t at all responsible at all for his accidents and if Damon hill, one of
The weakest world champion ever lost by 1 point to Schumacher, I liked senna’s luck for a 4th title.
Anyways not worth discussing since u clearly are not a fan of his and totally bypassed all investigations that was done.Glad the ignore button exists!


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Sorry, it just seems the most plausible explanation is the steering column snapped as he was entering the Tamburello curve...there was no snap oversteer or anything...car maintained an uninterrupted line into the wall.

I believe all final investigative conclusions found that to be the case also...

 

U are right but some people love to make stuff up and revisit history


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