The "Help me identify this car" thread

i know it isn't a Ferrari, but the vintage brain-trust is here

it appeared at Goodwood, but i've had the devil's own job trying to identify it?
once i can, i could then search out more information

any ideas?

thanks
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Looks like it is Bill Milliken's MX-1 Camber Car

http://speedreaders.info/88-equations_of_motion_by_willam_f_milliken

 

Bill Milliken's camber car.

See here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/4757537/Camber-control-ahead-of-its-time.html & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Milliken,_Jr.

Paul

 

ha, you guys are quick! thank you

thanks for the links, the book(s) written by him i'll have to seek out

funny the article mentions the MB f400, as that's the car which got me thinking, the carver idea!

it doesn't say if it was raced ...did it have any success?

 

The camber car was never raced in formal competition, it was built in 1960. It was simply a test bed for Bill's theories. The idea of camber thrust producing additional cornering power is based on the use of narrower, more rounded tires, like you would see on a motorcycle. Bill basically wrote the book on vehicle dynamic response by applying aircraft stability approach to vehicle dynamics. Before that it was pretty much a black art and wasn't well understood except by a few folks like Chapman. The early 60's were a time of great learning and discovery in vehicle dynamics, and Bill was at the center of that.

When Mickey Thompson convinced Firestone to make the wide racing tire for the 1963 Indy 500, the gains from wider tires were a lot more than you could get from camber thrust and the rest is history. Wide tires have a greater load capacity and you can add aerodynamic downforce and get a lot more lateral acceleration.

The camber car was an interesting side trip in the understanding of vehicle dynamics and has a unique place in history.

 

Late last summer I got to be with Mr Milliken at his 100th (!!!) birthday in Watkins Glen and had him and his son Doug autograph my first edition copy of their book. I had not seen him in 10 years and I'm afraid he's getting on in age a bit too far. Mr Milliken's history should be a book/movie unto itself.

Race Car Vehicle Dynamics by William F. Milliken and Douglas L. Milliken (1995) is still available from SAE Press. If I recall Doug said it's on its 10th printing. Bear in mind it is an engineering tome and quite full of maths and charts. But the little developmental gems included in the text along with the formulae often give rise to 'ah-ha, that's how they did it!' moments.

jocko

 

thanks for replies guys

that's very cool Jocko! maybe you should consider taking a audio or video recorder to visit him, and get his stories down (before his time passes) ...let him know what you're doing, i'm sure he'd be keen to participate
i wish i had done this with my great grandmother before she passed, SO many amazing stories to tell, but only a very few saved

 

I think its lamborghini, if iam not wrong.

 

anyone know the name of this car? i recognize it, i know it's a modern built f-glass car, but i can't quite remember the particulars?
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That's the Paulussen Beradino ...

 

Trying to figure out a car I saw at Pebble Beach. It was red and black two tone, open top, probably late '20s or '30s. I didn't get a look at the front emblem, but there was a swan logo in silver on the rear of the car. It looked french.

Any ideas?

 

a voisin maybe?

this is my favorite voisin
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awesome, thank you!

 

That's what I was thinking, but I can't find any with the swan logo on the rear. I also don't believe it had a hood ornament, I don't remember seeing one, at least not a large one.

 

Sounds like you're describing a Hispano-Suiza. Many had a stork mascot.

 

this one was at goodwood ...i thought it to be a kellisman? (spelling?) perhaps? ...anyone know more about this particular car?
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thanks ^^

 

found a bit more info ....not sure if the car in the link is the 'same' car as pictured in my post? appears the kellison J-6 'panther' was a tribute to the kellison j-series of cars, but with slightly taller roof line, and based on the period 'vette chassis, previous ones could (and were) mounted to various other chassis) some custom, even drag (funny car style) chassis
http://bringatrailer.com/2011/04/07/bat-exclusive-1955-kellison-j6-panther-tribute/

edit: okay, so also found that the car (in first post) is infact a car restored for lord march by keith harman
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Saw this in Orlando this past week, Packers headrests, wheels & roofline looked horrible so I assume this is a recreation

anyone have info?
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Judging from wheels and scoop moulding it'd say Renucci Modena from Ferris...

 

I'm not gonna lie. It is pretty bad.

 

Those wires don't look like Borrani's. Dayton maybe?