Whatever..F1 needs more rules. More, and more, and more rules.
Yes - I do not care what team. I was very quick to post that the rule needed to be looked at. FANS were denied competition. Period. Its easily fixed. You stop and start a race, the same can be done for qualy. I just looked outside, WORLD was turning LOL
I find it very unbelievable that Leclerc intentionally crashed his car to spoil other's laps. Everyone knows that the pole is not as important as the race.
Apparently 42% of GPs are won from pole (see post #40 from Tony L.). In a place like Monaco, pole can be determinant .
At Monaco of the last 39 races, drivers that started on pole only resulted in 19 wins, drivers who lost from pole was 20 or 49% It is simply a fallacy to think if you get pole at Monaco you will win the race, if your lucky (driver and car reliability) you will. best Tony
You are confirming than in 48.71% of cases, the driver on pole won at Monaco That's quite a high percentage.
Dont you mean 60%? 2015 - 2021 only 33% of pole wins. That more MODERN representation! Stats work better over a longer period. If you go back to 1950 the chances of you winning from pole diminish even more....just saying!
2021 Monaco VERSTAPPEN Max Red Bull Honda P 2 2019 Monaco HAMILTON Lewis Mercedes Mercedes P1 2018 Monaco RICCIARDO Daniel Red Bull TAG Heuer P1 = 66.6% 2001-2021 = 66.6% 2021 Monaco VERSTAPPEN Max Red Bull Honda 2 2019 Monaco HAMILTON Lewis Mercedes Mercedes 1 2018 Monaco RICCIARDO Daniel Red Bull TAG Heuer 1 2017 Monaco VETTEL Sebastian Ferrari Ferrari 2 2016 Monaco HAMILTON Lewis Mercedes Mercedes 3 2015 Monaco ROSBERG Nico Mercedes Mercedes 2 2014 Monaco ROSBERG Nico Mercedes Mercedes 1 2013 Monaco ROSBERG Nico Mercedes Mercedes 1 2012 Monaco WEBBER Mark Red Bull Renault 1 2011 Monaco VETTEL Sebastian Red Bull Renault 1 2010 Monaco WEBBER Mark Red Bull Renault 1 2009 Monaco BUTTON Jenson Brawn GP Mercedes 1 2008 Monaco HAMILTON Lewis McLaren Mercedes 3 2007 Monaco ALONSO Fernando McLaren Mercedes 1 2006 Monaco ALONSO Fernando Renault Renault 1 2005 Monaco RAIKKONEN Kimi McLaren Mercedes 1 2004 Monaco TRULLI Jarno Renault Renault 1 2003 Monaco MONTOYA Juan-Pablo Williams BMW 3 2002 Monaco COULTHARD David McLaren Mercedes 2 2001 Monaco SCHUMACHER Michael Ferrari Ferrari 2
12 wins from pole out of 20 = 60%. Slide the graph to from 09 - 14 and its 100% ! But thats an exception rather than the rule. To get an accurate assessment of wins from pole you need to look at the statistics over a broader range. One race one win is hardly a accurate representation. Its all hot air by Toto, Qualifying has a set time just like the race (or laps completed) and when the bell rings the time is up regardless. No time left (or laps) - tough luck! Best Tony PS since when did the FANS matter to the FIA, if they did then they would remove the stupid rules like testing restrictions, V6 hybrids etc etc.
Pole matters in Monaco period. Qualy matters and should be restarted when an accident such as Charles interferes with others attempt to qualy well. Hot air????????????????????????????? Its a good idea to relook things over time. Hot air its not. Bottas would not have taken pole but Max possibly would have more than likely. We will not know as Charles effectively blocked others from their attempt and Fans not given competition. Its easy and should be done. Stop and start a race, you can stop and start qualy.
Apologies to disagree with you but the facts dont bear out your assumptions. Given the reliability these current cars have is a fundamental part of your assumption but mistakes happen as well as race strategy. Driver error or mechanical failure or a cock up in pit strategy can and has changed the statistics for many years. Just because its monaco, it doesnt mean you cannot win from any other starting position. Lots of things have upset final qualifying over the years be it driver error,mechanical failure or indeed the weather. Shall we extend the race because Leclerc is within striking distance of Hammy with one lap to go....just for the fans! If you have the fastest car and driver combo then set your time earlier rather than wait for the "shoot out" in the last five minutes.
Invariably the few in contention for pole will try up the last moment to beat the best time, or improve their pole, or consolidate it. If suddenly the count-down is stopped because of a red flag, the drivers affected are entitled to feel aggrieved.
Every amateur and pro series I've run deletes your fastest lap for causing red flags in qualy. I've never heard a driver complain about it or say it was unfair. You should go to your trailer and feel shame....plus lose your lap.
Don’t believe anyone is calling it unfair but rather it’s one more rule (that didn’t exist for 70+ years of F1) and that maybe will remove the incentive for a banzai lap that could spring a surprise result. Also, as noted, there’s a greater chance of a yellow flag affecting the lap than a red flag. Will there be a rule for that ?
I agree with that. However if someone provokes a red flag in Q3, and therefore shortens the 15 m session, his time should be deleted.
OK, explain to me how you would decide "someone" provokes a red flag? Would it be car failure exempt or a puncture (car left in a dangerous position) or debris on the track or ??? Why restrict it to just Q3, others quite rightly would argue that grid position for them is vital for championship points. 33) QUALIFYING PRACTICE 33.1 The qualifying practice session will take place on the day before the race and will start no less than two (2) hours after the end of P3. The qualifying practice session will be run as follows: a) For the first eighteen (18) minutes of the session (Q1) all cars will be permitted on the track and at the end of this period the slowest five (5) cars will be prohibited from taking any further part in the session. Lap times achieved by the fifteen (15) remaining cars will then be deleted. b) After a seven (7) minute break the session will resume for fifteen (15) minutes (Q2) and the fifteen (15) remaining cars will be permitted on the track. At the end of this period the slowest five (5) cars will be prohibited from taking any further part in the session. Lap times achieved by the ten (10) remaining cars will then be deleted. c) After an eight (8) minute break the session will resume for twelve (12) minutes (Q3) and the ten (10) remaining cars will be permitted on the track. The above procedure is based upon twenty (20) cars being officially eligible to take part in the Event. If twenty-two (22) cars are eligible, six (6) will be eliminated after Q1 and Q2, if twenty-four (24) cars are eligible seven (7) cars will be eliminated after Q1 and Q2, and so on if more cars are eligible. 33.2 Any driver whose car stops on the circuit during the qualifying practice session will not be permitted to take any further part in the session. 33.3 At the end of qualifying practice session the times achieved by each driver will be officially published. 33.4 An AOT, as defined in Technical Regulations, must be empty during the complete qualifying practice session. If you read clause 31.7 of the 2021 sporting regulations 31.7 The clerk of the course may interrupt practice as often and for as long as he thinks necessary to clear the track or to allow the recovery of a car. However, only during qualifying practice will the session be extended as a result. Should one or more sessions be thus interrupted, no protest can be accepted as to the possible effects of the interruption on the qualification of drivers admitted to start. In my opinion it is totally covered within the current regulations / rules and doesnt need to be amended whatsoever.
[QUOTE="TonyL, post: 147920443, member: 54594" Would it be car failure exempt or a puncture (car left in a dangerous position) or debris on the track or ??? Why restrict it to just Q3, others quite rightly would argue that grid position for them is vital for championship points. [/QUOTE] Usual reasons for a red flag to be deployed: safety. Pole is determined by Q3, so let's concentrate on that.
Usual reasons for a red flag to be deployed: safety. Pole is determined by Q3, so let's concentrate on that.[/QUOTE] Yes but then arguments would rage, it wasnt my fault Mr X ran over the kerb, threw stones on the track and i got a puncture at a critical part of the track which resulted in a red flag. team principals would be jumping up and down saying it only needed a yellow The way a yellow flag is waved also plays a crucial role and has different meanings. The driver must slow down at the sight of a yellow flag, and double waved yellow flags indicate that the driver must be prepared to stop until the situation is resolved. Its simply unworkable if you think about it. When you open a can of worms to satisfy Mr Toto, other teams will demand the rule is extended to Q1 & Q2 as pole for them is a higher grid position.
