The Fchat Exit Poll: Who DID You Vote For?

Talking to a bag of hair would be more intellectually stimulating then having a whose country is better discussion with you. Grow up.

 

but in all seriousness -

you throw quotes like this, and then you say the CDN system is socialist, - what gives ?

 

Why are you instantly assuming because Im bringing the concept of democracy as being a fantasy means Im pro everything else? Typical linear mindset. Democracy is mob rule dressed up in a sports coat period. 6 vote to rob the other 4. This thread proves it with people like GerryD contradicting themselves almost every second or third sentence. Speaking of democracy, last time I checked you don't elect your head of state in Canada(Queen), nor her representative governor general, nor your Prime Minister nor your Senators nor your Judges etc. Nor do you even decide WHEN to vote! So can we end it with the fairy tale Canadian democracy? Parliament is the good old boys club from the UK. At most the peasants get to pick their representatives. Speaking of the peasants. The average voter is someone who watches jersey shore in their pastime, you really think a person like this is going to make a good decision? Wouldn't it be better if they just stayed home? Voting just makes otherwise unimportant and irrelevant people feel like they have some type of power or say like GerryD thinking he is making a difference. For the rest of us who don't live in a fantasy land, its just an entertaining circus to watch.

 

You are a HUGE bag of laughs. You continually put down the system but yet you dont have a clue as to what is better. Come on big boy!!! Tell us all a system that would work better. Oh its easy to put down something but it should only be done when you have a better idea. You wont give us one and yet you think you know all about our system here in Canada when in actuall fact you know nothing and your post proves it. The queen has nothing to do with our election period. Again big boy! Tell us your vision of the perfect world or are you living in it right now....sitting on the couch watching Jerry Springer, drinking a 60 ounce pepsi with a party size bag of doritos and peeling a banana? The only time you leave it is for a pee and to come back to Canada for your free health care.
So Im awaiting your ideal system that we can all look forward to, not your smartass remarks that always beat around the bush.
...........waiting...........waiting.

 

How are you voting for Harper when his name isn't even on the ballot? Yes my healthcare is free, I give up 45% of my income voluntarily. GerryD you are a child.

 

Still waiting.........

 

actually - i assumed nothing, i didnt make a statement, I asked you a question on your position and what gives.

If your going to claim the Canadian process is like the British process - and the US process is a hybrid of the British process - i would curious to understand soemthing better. The world has gone through Dictatorships, Kings, Queens, Nazism, Fascism, and me at least - This so called democracy we have seems pretty good.

I find it pretty amazing actually that the Bloc, NDP, Liberal, Green, and Conservative views in Canada get along so well in debates and in minority governments. We have been able to prove that different political views can work together - heck 4 times going to the polls in 7 yrs like this is actually somethign to be proud of.

Not to bash my US counter parts, but they cant even get along in a majority situation....to think they almost shut down last week over some silly requests with light agends, i can only imagine the bickering in the coming weeks as harder decisions have to be yet.

So again my friend, i have to pose the question, if you are not a fan of the current CDN system, please identify something you think that would work better that would include my Quebec, and my Western friends into a stronger Canada.

 

The problem with most "Democracies" in the Western World is that once elected on the basis of their "promises" made during the campaign, the so-called leaders do whatever they want and more often than not they fail to deliver on even the most basic promises.

I may be biased because of my origin, but there is one true Democracy in Europe: Switzerland. There, the elected officials do not have executive but only legislative power, which means they can only propose something (e.g. construction of a new highway) and the people then votes either for or against it. That's right...if you're actively involved in politics, you can go to the polls every other weekend or so...

It seems to work, because Switzerland enjoys a very high standard of living in every respect. My brother-in-law complained to me last week in Switzerland that they are making even the smallest country roads more modern (safer and faster) on a continuous basis. My reply was that at least there you see where your tax money ends up...

 

http://www.thespec.com/news/business/article/516934--canadians-pay-more-for-the-same-goods

18% Tariff on Halloween costumes. LOL

The amount of money saved in the US is equivalent to 3-4 god level health plans.

 

Switzerland is more of an enclave of millionaires then a country. It was founded by people who were fed up with big government, very low tax burden as well.

 

Everything you suggest would make us just like the US.....no thanks.

 

GerryD if you were in the US you would most likely be in an F430 or 458 vs the clunker Ferrari you own now. I know reality is harsh.

 

Again you shoot yourself in the foot. The only reason things are more expensive here in Canada is because we are not having fire sales here. Everything is OK thank you. The money your fed has printed to pay off debt is in the trillions and when that money hits the streets your inflation rate will skyrocket. BTW we here in Canada can shop in the states anytime we like if we see something cheaper.....Where do americans shop for something cheaper. The price of many items in the US is equal or higher than here in Canada.
All that aside though, Canadas median family income in now higher than the 2 highest states in the US...Cali and Connecticut.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income

 

Alot of good points. The only thing the Federal government should be doing is maintaining a military, and here lies the problem they cannot even be entrusted with doing that. Why is Canada going around bombing other regions(Libya now, Serbia in 90's)??? My entire point from the start is people need to wake up and start taking responsibilities for themselves instead of thinking the government is a magic cornucopia. I was also pointing out the ironies of a democracy to all those here believing Canada is one. Trudeau ****ed this country up big time and the citizens have been paying for it for decades. If it wasn't for Trudeau's communist ideas Canada would be 10x more wealthier and 10x more free then it is now.

 

A garbage man would be king in most states down there. BTW what are YOU driving and I dont mean daddies car?
Still waiting........

 

Why dont you tell us your idea of "cornucopia"
still waiting.......

 

I already told you it. Not going to go into a discussion over libertarian ideas with you. You think a country with 35mil people can be compared to 330mil. Told you, this conversation is brainless.

 

You wont get into it because you cant come up with a single factoid to back your mouth. You just another one of those that complains but never has any ideas except that there must be something on tv tonight.

 

POLITICAL DEFINITIONS, EXPLAINED WITH REFERENCE TO COWS

Feudalism:
You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

Pure Democracy:
You have two cows. Your neighbours decide who gets the milk.

Representative Democracy:
You have two cows. Your neighbours pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.

Pure Capitalism:
You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

Real World Capitalism:
You don't have any cows. The bank will not lend you money to buy cows, because you don't have any cows to put up as collateral.

Pure Socialism:
You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You all take care of the cows. The government gives you all the milk you need.

Bureaucratic Socialism:
Your cows are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs the regulations say you need.

Pure Communism:
You have two cows. Your neighbours help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

Real World Communism:
You share two cows with your neighbours. You all bicker about who has the most "ability" and who has the most "need". Meanwhile, no one works and no one gets any milk.

Russian Communism:
You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk. You steal back as much milk as you can and sell it on the black market.

Fascism:
You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

Militarianism:
You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.

Totalitarianism:
You have two cows. The government takes them and denies they ever existed. Milk is banned.

Bureaucracy:
You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.

Pure Anarchy:
You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbours try to take the cows and kill you.

Environmentalism:
You have two cows. The government bans you from milking or killing them.

Surrealism:
You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.

Political Correctness:
You are "associated with" (the concept of "ownership" is a symbol of the phallocentric, warmongering, intolerant past) two differently-aged (but no less valuable to society) bovines of non-specified gender.

 

Its self explanatory my friend. The fact you dont like it changes nothing. Speaking of democracies(Economist Intelligence Unit democracy index) .......Canada is 9th on the list while the US is 17th. Articulate that one for me please.

 

Canada is by far further up the scale of a full democracy than the USA.(LOOK AT THE NUMBERS NOT JUST THE POSITION) The fact that no one is elected in Washington really has no positive bearing at all as elections are one of the top criteria in a democracy. Maybe the USA would be worse off with those numbers included. Interesting that the Czech Republic is rated higher than the USA.
As for the other link I once again refer you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income
where you can see the AFTER tax dollars of Canadian family. Remember that those numbers were done when the Canadaian dollar was much lower than now. So Canada would now place on top of this list. Now our tax freedom day is later in the year and that is just one of the things that make our country great. We spread the burdon and help those less fortunate. That is just one of a multitude of reasons that 3 of the top 5 cities most desireable to live in this world are in Canada. Now going back to your tax freedom day chart. Nice to know that you are once again in good company with the likes of Estonia and India. Also if you look at who does those numbers for the USA...they are a think tank in Washington and when looking closer looks like they are FEDS. You will notice that the numbers of the other countries are done by private companies with no ties to govt. Now even without that when you look at the median income data (where Canada far surpasses the USA) and now add what Americans have to pay for health care (over $10gs a year of after tax dollars for a family of 5) and once again my point is proven. We here in Canada have a better electoral and democratic system and enjoy a higher standard of living. Canadas economy continues to grow while the USA continues to spirall downward. The unemployment rate continues to rise in the US and it is now estimated that 37,000 people a year commit suicide directly because of being unemployed. The American govt has been using the media to spread its propaganda about the USA being tops in everything for decades now when in actual fact the US has been living off of its past when everything was rosey back in the 50s before they started assasinating their presidents that tried to change the awful direction it was headed. Not much more to be said ....eh.

 

Pure deregualtion in the US has proven to not work now after the melt down - even the master himself "Greenspan" said he was sorry, he thought more freedom was the way to get growth and the market would correct itself - well guess what ? it didnt, the govenment had to bail out the banks for a first round of 700B under BUSH which was never disclosed - then a second round of 700B under Obama - fact is, the US has been under a solcialist regime for some time now (GM, bail out - AIG , bail out) and on and on -

Im not sure why Socialism for the wealthy isnt considered Socialism ? but then again, alot of what the US has done isnt really making sense - Americans need to stop trying to be the worlds police, and take care of there own backyard - i was recently in detroit - and there were neighbour hoods and blocks of abandoned building -

Lets face it , there needs to be balance, and full out freedom of economies create corruption on a larger scale than any benefically compansation to a community. WHat i dont understand about Americans , they are willing to be the first to help out any country in the world that has a natural disaster - but then is willing to not feed there own children ? they would rather cut that programs, than tax the higher income bracket ? Whats up with that system ?