The Bernie Ecclestone Grand Prix Collection, 69 cars for sale

Watkins Glen 1966.

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312/66 0010 looks like it's lost its 36 valve cylinder heads? If so it never raced with a 24 valve engine with the inlet/injection between the camshafts or the exhaust pipes going straight back. Exhausts went up and back in all races with the 24 valve engine.

Red Book Classiche Certified and stated to be the most original Ferrari Formula 1 car in existence and yet it does not conform to the original specs/configuration of any race it ever participated in by either John Surtees or Lorenzo Bandini.

The Classiche Red Book seems to be missing quite a few qualifications.

 

Marcel said this about red book on December 11. So, they missed some key information. Heads and motor may be original back to early 1966 specification 24 Valve, but they reconfigured the injection system. Also, the engine cover is new, and the wheels are 1967 type, they only raced 0010 with 1966 312 wheels which are not as deep as the 1967 wheels.

 

My personal opinion is Ferrari should have won the 1966 constructors' championship and the drivers' championship if they had kept Surtees and fired Eugenio Dragoni. They might have even won the 1967 championships also as the FORD Cosworth DFV not appear until mid-season and it was not reliable at first. Enzo Ferrari blew it due to his Italian national pride!!

 

Certainly agree about 1966 and John winning that year's F1 Championship.

 

In two weeks time it may have a new home along with the rest of the lot as THJ has two offers from entities/governments and will know by then. At least as of this past Tuesday when I spoke with him as I wanted to buy a particular Brabham BMW powered car I've been looking for years. At least I tried!

 

Does it come with a supply of the illegal fuel Brabham used in 1983 for Nelson to beat Alain?

 

This looks like 312 0010 at SPA 1966. Notice the 1966 style wheels and center injection. Also change to Firestone tires from Dunlop.


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The 375 F1 was not Ferrari's first ever Formula One winner at all as Tom Hartley Junior states. The 1948 Garda Grand Prix, Salo was won by Guiseppe Farina in a Ferrari 125. Alberto Ascari won both the 1949 Swiss and Monza Grand Prix of Europe in a Ferrari 125. Ascari also won the 1950 Penya Rhin Grand Prix, Barcelona in a 375 F1. There were other Formula 1 races that were won by mono posto Ferraris before Froilan Gonzales' win at the 1951 British Grand Prix at Silverstone which was the first Formula 1 Championship race that Ferrari won. I did email Mr Hartley to let him know. Absolutely fantastic car nevertheless.

 

for me Formula ONE is only championship
this started 1950, first win GB 1951

everything else is Formula or Grand Prix ..... but not Formula ONE

did he sell the collection already?

 

Formula 1 or Formula One cars were 1.5 litre supercharged or up to 4.5 litres normally aspirated. Ferrari's first 1.5 litre V12 for Formula 1 was designated 125 F1 in 1948 so even had F1 in its title/designation. The Formula 2 class was for cars of engine capacity of up to 500 cc supercharged or 2 litres normally aspirated hence the normally aspirated 2 litre V12 designated 166 F2 introduced by Ferrari in 1949. Formula 1 races originated around 1946/7.

The Formula 1 Championship races started on 13th May, 1950 at the British Grand Prix at Silverstone.

 

Sheldon/ Robagliatti et al in their 1937-1949 black book states that in early 1946 the AIACR agreed to a new set of rules for 1947 which saw Formula 2 replace Voiturettes with an increase from 1.5 to 2 litres. This meant a look at new rules for the top category, naturally called F1, to start in 1947. In the meantime races in 1946 were held to Formula Libre, Formula One, Voiturette and Sportscar, often depending on the entries received. 1947 was the official first year of Formula 1, some national championships held to various rules but 1950 the first year for any organised international, CSI/ FIA approved F1 championship.

 

RE: TOM HARTLEY JUNIOR

In MY EXPERIENCE, so not speaking for others whose experience may be different, and I am NOT interested in others' experience of him, the same cannot be said for Tom Hartley Junior who most certainly is NOT a man of his word. After stating to me face to face of his own volition that he was a man of his word a number of times, and with no prompting from me at all, he offered me a written 6 month contract of employment which he reneged on. He wasted around 4 months of hard work of my life and cost me thousands of pounds. More to come....

 

Re: Tom Hartley Jr.

The proof is in the pudding...

If Mr. Hartley, is working with Mr. Ecclestone, I think they are in the same/close league.
Otherwise Mr. Ecclestone would have dealt with other(s).....
So if you have a contract from Mr. Hartley, go to 'Old Bailey'.

In life, we must all know our positions, and not diminish or exceed them.

Cheerio.

 

GIUSEPPE. Please.

 

WHAAAAT !?!
No honor among used car salesmen ?
Who would’ve thunk.

 

where is it? “More to come”

 

Pleasantly surprised to know that the Auto-Union is a real car.

What about the Lancia-Ferrari D50 (the one with the '56 Fangio livery) - that's a replica, right? The THJ video didn't mentioned it.

 

That is not the Hawthorn 246!

Different suspension, gearbox and shape

same sn but that is about it

Classiche certified replica?

 

It's not even a replica of the 1958 Hawthorn 246 F1 Championship car and looks like a completely different car. According to Doug Nye none of the mono posto 57 to 59 2461 F1s survived. See here.

According to the Barchetta site in link here 0003 got a replacement 222 cm wheelbase chassis in 1959?

The current car with chassis 0003 has a totally different body shape, side fuel tanks instead of rear fuel tank, totally different exhausts, different rear coil spring suspension, offset drive shaft, different chassis?, different engine?

According to Doug Nye a show car was built up for New York using chassis 0003. Not disputing it's a genuine Ferrari with chassis 0003 that is very probably Red Book Classiche Certified, but what of the Hawthorn 1958 2461 F1 Championship winning car is actually in the car for sale today?

 

as I said a works replica of something, but not Hawthorns 246….
Value: replica

 

I think the engine might be the original. Bear in mind even he 1958 car was rarely the same from race to race.

 

It has a 2.5 litre engine now. It had a 2.4 litre engine in 1958 hence 246. The gearbox currently is a 5 speed gearbox whereas the '58 championship winning car had a 4 speed gearbox. 0003 was not campaigned in 1957 as Hartley states in the video.

 

Only a nit, it is "monoposto", not "mono posto".

Regards, Alberto