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  1. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    Assuming the heads come off without too much of a fight, would you do a valve job on an engine stand instead of on the platform where the engine comes off the car? What is the weight of that engine without the gearbox?

    I have an engine stand on which I mounted a fully laden 1960 Cadillac 390 engine. That sucker was pretty heavy. Would that be good enough for the Testa engine?
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    A good quality standard engine stand hold it up easily enough but it takes considerable work to make a good adapter.
    You are not going to just bolt it to the studs in the back. It needs a structure to reach out to nearly the front to support it.

    Id just leave it on the gearbox. The only time I put one on the stand is if I need to pull rods or the crank.


    Needs a valve job? How many miles? I have never seen one that needed a valve job unless it broke a belt and I have seen a few with a lot of miles.
     
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  3. kartboy1234

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    I'm very interested in the engine weight, I'll need to transport my engine once it's removed for it's belt service.

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  4. yelcab

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    I'm not convinced that it needs a valve job either. It does need an engine out for timing belt service. Compression test shows one bank is uniformly lower than the other. The engine is out and I will do a leak down test to see what that is like. It might just need valve stem seals.
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Again, seen quite a few with over 100,000 miles and never found one I felt needed stem seals.

    One bank uniformly different is not usually a sign of wear. Of anything.
     
  6. Steve Magnusson

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    +1 -- a whole bank being uniformly different from the other bank in compression almost certainly has to be a cam timing issue (e.g., just never set right the last time it was messed with, a skipped tooth, etc.).

    Agree that the next logical step is a Leakdown Test, but, even before that, they did put externally-viewable, coarse cam timing reference marks on the backside of the TR cam belt timing covers and cams to detect if really bad things have happened. Are those obviously wacky or sort of still OK for alignment? How different are the compression test results for the two banks?
     
  7. yelcab

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    Yes, I get that one bank is off cam vs the other. I am going to do leak down test next to have more data.
    Compression: 1 to 12: 149, 139, 149, 148, 143, 146, 154, 163, 160, 159, 167, 152 psi
    Outliers are C2 and C11
     
  8. kartboy1234

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    So no one knows the weight of the engine and transmission combo?

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  9. Rifledriver

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    Not sure why I'd care.
     
  10. kartboy1234

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    Because that's what the original post was about, not valves. I'm having to move my engine from a shop to my house. I need to know how much it weighs so I can figure out how to move it.

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  11. Rifledriver

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    And I answered that question because it really was not the information he needed.

    As far as moving it is concerned anything big enough to hold it is more than capable of carrying it. Sorry but I know of no one who has ever weighed one.
     
  12. INRange

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    For what it is worth this is the engine data. Double it for the transaxle and you will be close. I believe your bigger challenge is getting it off the truck and onto the ground. I doubt you have a railing system at your house which means a conventional hydraulic lift hoist. A 1,500 pound lift hoist will pick it up but you will need to make something for it rest onto since the engine/transmission combination may be too wide for the legs of the hoist.

    I presume they are loading it with a forklift on a pallet. That definitely will not fit between the legs of most hydraulic hoists. Any chance you can have them bring the forklift along to get it off the truck?


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  13. kartboy1234

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    Thank you for some helpful information. The engine will still be in it's cradle with the suspension attached. I was thinking of putting the wheels back on and trying to wheel the whole thing onto a trailer.

    I currently do not have a hoist for it, though I was looking at a mobile gantry crane. I'll definitely post pictures of how I find a way to move the damn thing.

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  14. vincenzo

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    Rent an engine hoist

    not expensive to buy

    build a cradle on casters
     

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  15. kartboy1234

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    Yea I'll see if I can get a hoist. That cradle looks good, I'll measure the car and see if I can build one to hold the engine.

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  16. raysur

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    Out if its subframe with no muffler, the engine and transmission weigh 930lbs.
     
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    422 kg according to this video.
     
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  18. kartboy1234

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    Awesome

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  19. vincenzo

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    AKA; 928LBS….

     

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