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Testarossa Bare Metal Respray Cost

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  1. Joe_CT

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    I was hoping to get some information from the experts out here. The '86 TR that I picked up a few months back is in desperate for a repaint. It really needs to go down to bare metal to get all the old layers of paint off and see what lies underneith. I got a quote today and wanted to see what folks thought a high quality strip, repair, and repaint should cost to get a high quality one stage paint job on a TR. Your opinions and / or experiences would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. Newman

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    My guess is $10 to $15K assuming no metal repair needed just strip and paint. The doors and grates would be a pain, the grates should be soda blasted. What about door weatherstrip, glass runs, window wiskers and trim restoration? If the exterior trim is tired then you have to pay to make that right too. Add another few K for that additional work. The end result would be perfection at least on the outside.
     
  3. Mr.Chairman

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    #3 Mr.Chairman, Jul 6, 2009
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    Greetings.. I agree with Newman.. I think 10K should just about do it.. Keep in mind the car is kind of small. I would figure an additional 2k for additional trim pieces that break and weatherstrips... Cost would increase if there is a lot of dents and dings to repair. The body industry is hurting right now.. You could probably get an agreed price for around 8K (as long as your keeping the same color). Figure around 80 to 100 hours total for primo work.. I can write it up if you like to get something more accurate (kind of a worse case scenario). Let me know..

    Robbie

    ps... I need to know now.. I will write up a mock estimate keeping in mind that your panels are straight. Mock up would also include parts that may not remove easily, sort of a worse case scenario. I will keep you posted.. I need a day.. Just keep in mind I am not a body shop but a damage appraiser.

    R
     
  4. KENCO

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    12k from my guy. Top notch verified work.
     
  5. Joe_CT

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    Thanks for the feedback guys. That is what I was thinking as well ($10K to $15K). The car needs a little body work, but nothing dramatic. I figured $17K on the high end accounting for body work and trim that may need to be repaired / replaced. The quote I got was for $25K (235 hours of labor + $5,000 for materials). I have had cars repainted to a very high quality in the past for $12K, and thought this sounded high to me as well, but wanted to see if I was just out of touch with the current market. I will have to get a few more quotes from some reputable shops in the area. I love the car. It is getting its major as I write this and the next step (hopefully this fall) will be to get it repainted to bring it back to its old glory.
     
  6. Rifledriver

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    Does it really need to go down to metal? Ferrari uses a lot of filler from the factory and taking one to metal is usually pretty serious in terms of labor to get it back ready to paint. Unless it has had a lot of bad repairs or rust, going down to metal will make it very expensive when maybe it isn't needed.
     
  7. Joe_CT

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    #7 Joe_CT, Jul 7, 2009
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    The issue is it has had a really bad paint job in the past. The paint was slapped on thick, has large runs on the lower rear fenders, and has been clear coated which is now beginning to peel. My thought was to take it down to the bare metal to get all the old layers of paint off. Could a quality paint job really be done without stripping off all the old layers?

    Here is a break down of the labor hours... like I said, the body is not that bad, few minor imperfections, but nothing major. I also included a few pics of the car.

    Hours
    Remove and Disassemble Front Bumper 4
    Remove and Disassemble Luggage Compartment 2
    Remove Headlight Covers 1
    Remove and Disassemble Doors 6
    Disassemble Fenders 2
    Disassemble Quarters 2
    Remove and Disassemble Engine Cover 3
    Remove and Disassemble Rear Bumper 3

    Catalog and load - deliver to dry stripper 1
    Pick up from dry stripper - unload - check in 1
    Re-estimate for hidden damage 1

    Prepare and Epoxy prime headlight covers 0.5
    Prepare and Epoxy prime luggage compartment 2
    Prepare and Epoxy prime fenders 1
    Prepare and Epoxy prime doors 2
    Prepare and Epoxy prime body 7
    Prepare and Epoxy prime engine cover 2
    Prepare and Epoxy prime louvers 1

    Repair front bumper 4
    Repair headlight covers 2
    Repair luggage compartment 8
    Repair fenders 4
    Repair doors 8
    Repair roof 11
    Repair right quarter 6
    Repair left quarter 8
    Repair engine cover 7
    Repair rear bumper 5
    Repair Louvers 6
    Repair Rear Body Panel 4

    Prepare and Polyester Prime front bumper 3
    Prepare and Polyester Prime luggage compartment 3
    Prepare and Polyester Prime headlight covers 1
    Prepare and Polyester Prime fenders 2
    Prepare and Polyester Prime doors 4
    Prepare and Polyester Prime body 11
    Prepare and Polyester Prime engine cover 4
    Prepare and Polyester Prime rear bumper 2
    Prepare and Polyester Prime Louvers 5

    Sand and Urethane front bumper 1
    Sand and Urethane headlight covers 0.5
    Sand and Urethane luggage compartment 2
    Sand and Urethane fenders 1
    Sand and Urethane doors 2
    Sand and Urethane body 7
    Sand and Urethane engine cover 2
    Sand and Urethane rear bumper 1
    Sand and Urethane louvers 2

    Sand and Paint Body 12
    Sand and Paint Parts 18
    Basic Assembly 10
    Wet Sand and Buff 25

    RE-Install remaining items - clean up car and final buff 18
    Total Hours 251
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  8. sparta49

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    Why would keeping the same color matter, the color goes to black in the door jambs and under the front and under the front trunk lid and engine compartment lid ?
     
  9. Rifledriver

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    Repair roof, 11 hours? How bad was that roll over?

    Remove and disassemble front bumper, 4 hours?




    All I can say is WOW.



    Still have not heard anything that makes me think it really needs to be stripped to metal. If there are issues under the paint, sure. But if not sand off the lousy repaint, fix the problems and reshoot it.
     
  10. Mr.Chairman

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    #10 Mr.Chairman, Jul 7, 2009
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    Wow.. those are some very very crazy numbers. 25 hours to block sand and polish... If you block for 25 hours there will be nothing left to polish... Way way crazy estimate. I agree with rifle.. I would not strip to metal unless absolutely necessary.. They can DA all the existing material off down the the primer put on the factory.. wow those labor hours were crazy... Its almost like he is telling you in a nice way that he prefers not to do the job..

    R
     
  11. ryalex

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    Color match the side skirts and spoiler lip if you do paint it.
     
  12. Frari

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    WOW crazy hours, my mechanic can remove rear bumper replace clutch and replace rear bumper in 3 hours. This fellow obviously has one arm and a wooden leg.
     
  13. James_Woods

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    Just one other question - were you going to pull out the glass or just the trim and mask around them? This may be the time to redo the upper dash if you at least pull the windshield.

    My car appears to have had a repaint (just sand and respray) sometime in the past. Now, having some rock chips I think I may have a limited respray done on just the affected nose parts - after I drive it for awhile longer.

    My take would be that the super-down-to-metal would take a lot of financial guts - hard to see any upside in this for a long, long time.
     
  14. JAYF

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    If you would like to take a ride down to North Salem NY with the car, I can evaluate it for you, and give you a better idea what your options are. I know of plenty of people that would do a wonderful job on it for well under 15k.

    Jay
     
  15. Rifledriver

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    Thats kind of what I was thinking.
     
  16. Joe_CT

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    #16 Joe_CT, Jul 8, 2009
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    Thanks everyone for your input. I had the shop quote me a rate if they do not do a bare metal respray (sand and respray). That rate came back at $16K, which seems more reasonable from the input here.

    Jay, I may take you up on that offer once I get the car back from the major. Thanks for the offer.

    Joe
     
  17. kerrywittig

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    "The shop" in my area..........western central NY/Finger Lakes.................bare metal, windows out, hoods/doors/lights removed, many dings, no rust, prior bad paint work to correct and same color (metallic black)...............$12k
     
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    +1
     
  19. JF308

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    Hey Joe,

    Congratulations. Looks like you found the flying mirror TR that you were looking for. Surprised that it ended up red/tan versus black, but it looks very nice. Well done.

    I was about to call you as I have a 90 Black TR coming in, 29K miles. Thought you might be interested in it. But looks like you beat me to the punch.

    Enjoy. Drop me a line sometime, and let me know how you find the TR versus the 308 family. Every so often, I think about moving to a TR myself -- and perhaps with this black one within my reach, I just might.

    Regards, John
     
  20. F1 MONZA

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    Dear Member My best Advise,
    is to sell this one and buy another testarossa.. Its going to be a lot more work then you might think... Sell it buy another one....Thats in Perfect Condition,,,

    My Advise...
    john
     
  21. avo8686

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    A quick question a little off topic sorry.. but how many layers of paint should be use to match factory layers? thanks
     
  22. Kds

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    FWIW based on Joe Meisinger's quoted hours for that job it that would cost you $10K in our market @ $40 per hour, which is the average going rate for bodyshop labor pretty much everywhere in our city.

    Now you can negotiate on that of course, by paying some of it upfront for a discount in kind, and/or giving them the car over the winter months instead. It makes a difference price wise moreso than setting a specific short timeline for delivery.

    Of course, I'd be replacing all the weatherstripping if I was going down that far......so add for whatever that costs.

    Pricewise it is very similiar to the last 70's generation 911 coupe I totally disassembled and stripped down. Interesting dat.......
     
  23. Huskerbill

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    I wouldn't pay anything over $10k. There is a local shop here that I guarantee could do it for under or around that. They are a custom restoration shop that specializes on classics and hot rods and turns out A-1 work. They quoted me $6k for my Esprit back in the day and actually did the rear clip on the car when I upgraded my tailights.

    No way you couldn't find a similar shop in your neck of the woods.

    Save yourself the cash and find someone else.
     

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