Tell FDA NO to Genetically Modified Apples

Why are the GE apples a bad thing? Are there any possible health risks or is this petition simply the result of growers that have an inferior product trying to use the FDA to protect them from a superior one?

 

Why not make a voluntary association that labels apples GE-free. Each company would submit their apples to this association and allow for random sampling to protect purity.

Apples that meet the requirement would get the seal just as some appliances have the UL seal. That way people could choose on their own without the Leviathan stepping in. Always a crisis that can't be contained without legislation.

 

Form follows Function

"This apple is delicious"
- 'But it turns brown'

"This apple tastes like cardboard"
- 'But isn't it pretty?'

 

This is exactly how we got the tasteless tomatoes we have now. Bred, not engineered though. I have no problem with GMO foods, in general.

 

Exactly. Grow your own tomatoes - taste NOTHING like in the grocery, but probably
don't look quite so pretty. Same with your own apples.

As I recall, the "Red Delicious" apple was the first GE fruit product to be patented...
and made for the most AWFUL of apples that looks just beautiful on store shelves!

Jedi

 

There is, of course, no risk.

The "organic" industry is wholly supported by the medically and biochemically ignorant.

 

Actually, I buy some organic because I'm lazy. Don't have to worry about washing off possible pesticides. But the whole idea the the modified apples are a risk is pretty overstated. I would think heritage growers would be the most worried (those trying to preserve a pure unadulterated strain from past times) but then again they have to worry about every other apple that has been developed from cross pollination.

 

Sorry for you, "organic" has pesticides too:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/04/organic-food-health-produce-food_n_1853995.html

 

Another point. In our local stores, organic often equals local, which often equals very fresh. I do agree that lots of the organic stuff I eat seems to taste better, but I suspect there is a confounding variable in that it may be fresher, have been handled better, etc. Because, thinking about it, even the farmer's market local stuff that we purchase that isn't organic tastes better.

 

Some Organic things you might want to work into you dinner recipes:

Arsenic, Cyanide, Nightshade, Uranium, Lithium and lead. ALL of these are 100% NATURAL,
from Gaia, our Mother Earth, untouched by the evils of Mankind other than the pure
harvest of them, fresh to your table. There are THOUSANDS of others you can sample as well!

Just because something is "organic" does NOT by definition make it "wholesome goodness"

It's all marketing folks.

Jedi

 

No. I'm saying that the word "organic" and "natural" are red herrings of marketing. ALL
FOOD and EVERYTHING YOU TOUCH is made from "chemicals" - yet another red herring.

Just because something is "organic" or "natural" does not by definition make it BETTER FOR YOU TO EAT.


Jedi

 

You're missing my point! I TOTALLY understand what you're saying. But there are a LOT
of marketing campaigns out there tossing about the words "Organic" and "All Natural" as
if just USING THOSE WORDS makes it better! In the 80s, they said "Wholesome Goodness"!

I just mean that just because someone says a product is "all natural" or "organic" does
not inherently make it BETTER for you. The USDA has strict guidelines for the use of the
term "organically grown" - but there are zillions of products that bypass that wording and
just say "organic"

And Lays Potato chips have "ZERO grams trans fat!" - bold letters at the top of every bag.
Just wiggle words to make it sound HEALTHY. They are FAR from "healthy" for you!

Ever eat a Red Delicious apple? Genetically engineered! Patented no less! But how
would you argue that it's somehow "bad for you" because it's "genetically engineered"?
They've been selling them for 50 years - pasty, flavorless perfect looking apples that
have zero known health issues - they just taste like CRAP. But now, the wiggle word
with a NEGATIVE connotation, "genetically engineered" is used to put down certain foods
that have zero negative HEALTH effects, but affect the flavor and quality enormously.

Marketing is about 80% of this discussion, IMO. When I want what is meant by
"Organically grown" produce, I grow it in my own garden.

I just get tired of those words getting tossed around in such a way that all you have
to do is put "Organic" or "All Natural" and somehow it's BETTER for you. It's just not
necessarily so.

Jedi

 

The top 2 inept and intellectually lazy statements I have ever read on this site. Thanks.

 

Well stated.

Quite frankly, I don't trust that UT is a doctor for myriad reasons.

The recent "study" that has been pushed by the MSM stating that there is no difference between organic and conventional:

Can be immediately debunked

Proves itself incorrect within itself

It's been exposed that there are decades long deep connections between one of the study authors and Phillip Morris for which that person provided junk science studies showing the "safety" of cigarettes

Not to mention the connection between Standford (the publishing university) and Cargill, a major GMO producer and one who is fighting very hard again prop 37, the GMO labeling initiative. What convenient timing...

Nope, no conflict of interest at all.

Sadly, this is what the overarching medical community relies on for it's "science", and their way to make them feel big, while making we, the non medical peons, feel weak without their eminence. For a doctor to say there is "no risk" means that they have absolutely zero understanding of the way the body processes ingested substances.

I'll keep eating organic and avoiding GMO, fast food, et al, thank you. Haven't been to the doctor in over 6 years, and I feel awesome.

Oh, and I don't stick my kids with needles either, the horrors! Better have CPS come get me.

 

He is. Just leave that aspect of this debate out of this. Thank You.

 

The proof would be?

If all he ever does is badger and belittle anyone with a different view, even when that view is based on fact, I will throw the BS flag all over it. He sure as hell isn't a doctor I would ever go to, not that I get sick anyway.

 

While I don't completely agree with the tone of his post here (thought, factually, it may stand up under scrutiny), I can testify that he is a doctor, and in fact provided some private advice to me regarding my father that was invaluable. Advice that could not have come from anyone other the a physician practicing in his particular specialty. He has been privately helpful to me on other fronts, as well.

Perhaps he was not having the best day, and/or perhaps he is just tired of all of the unsupported window dressing that tends to accompany "organic" items.