Tata is pulling ahead of pack

I like it but the historical precedent of reliability and built in gremlins just makes me nervous. I have had very reliable performance from my X3 and X5 and would not want to go backwards. Hopefully TATA will exorcise the gremlins out of the iconic brand.

 

looks very nice, it also looks really small

"on a new chassis" - wonder what platform it is from

 

I’ve always liked the Évoque, but I can’t get my head around the lack of a charismatic engine.

However, that is of no concern to the buyers, a boring 4 cylinder is no different to a straight six, which I heard was coming as part of a new modular engine design, or a small V8 to reference the original.

For me it’s a special little car without a proper engine ..........

The Velar even more so .........

However, is the Velar selling? I never see them. When the Evoque was launched, suddenly they were everywhere.

 

Looks interesting, but am rather curious about the engine choice, petrol and diesel (I don't grade as hybrid the "mild-hybrid" tech shown). I know there was a lot of money invested on the development of the ingenium plant, but I was expecting a bit more, considering the recent "doomsday" talk of ICEngines...

Also, I hope they did a really great update on ITCP tech as the one used on the Velar left a lot to desire...

Jaguar and Land Rover are brands that I have special place in my heart, so I hope for the best to them.

 

[QUOTE="MAPS, post: 146324354, member: 203860"Jaguar and Land Rover are brands that I have special place in my heart, so I hope for the best to them.[/QUOTE]

Everybody I know who has bought a Land Rover regretted it.

 

Everybody I know who has bought a Land Rover regretted it.[/QUOTE]
I know some die hard fans but also know some that are extremely disapointed and swore to never again. My wife loves them, but then again, she doesn'teven pay for the fuel!

 

My RR (HSE Supercharged) has been without major issue from purchase in 2009. It's a very capable truck that gets me off-road and then cleans up well enough to go to the opera. Unfortunately for Tata, I'm unwilling to write a $100K+ check for a new one. Crazy where their MSRPs have gone.

During services, I am given a loaner from the dealer. Lately, that's been an Evoque. I feel it isn't up to the LR quality of the bigger siblings. It's not as solidly built and has, as noted, a small(er) engine. It's fine for get around town driving, though. Works well for congested roads and parking lots. As a good portion of my driving is on highways (posted speeds of 75mph but traffic is often moving faster than that), it can feel a little like I'm wringing its' neck just to keep up at times. But, it can cruise at 75mph without feeling like it is having trouble. I'd not want to have to accelerate up a big hill with a full load, though.

I haven't had a Velar, yet, but when I looked at them, I did feel the engine was a little underwhelming. Even the small engine option on the Sport surprised me a bit. I know we're not all going to get SVRs, but the horsepower wars have diverged. It's how manufacturers meet the CAFE requirements, I suppose, but it's also consumer demand for more efficient, in-town powertrains. City streets are 25-35mph, and who needs 500+bhp for that?

CW

 

The land rover evoque is a Ford. Ford engine, Ford electronics etc..surprised you guys dont know this.

 

They have their own engines now. Ingenium name.

 

Fantastic!! A computer controlled oil pump!! Just what we needed after all these years. Why didnt I think of such a thing? Good friend of mine bought a 2018 land rover earlier this year, he is handing it back next week. Nothing but problems. Damn heater and defrost won't work. Now is a safety issue. LandRover has no fix. Yet they think a computer controlled pil pump is a good idea even though they can't get the heater to work..

 

Velar price point(once loaded up) is far too close to the Sport in my opinion. I like the looks of the new facelifted RRS and FFRR, but not enough to spend the money on them. If shopping an Evoque i think the GLC, Macan, Xc60 AND x3 are all more compelling options. Same goes for the sport - it’d be a Cayenne or X5 for me all day long. Discovery sport and new discovery full size are horrendous in all ways. They gave me a Disco Sport last time my LR3 went in for service - I brought it back and said I’d wait for my truck to be done. Full size rover is the only thing in their lineup that is the most compelling in its class and that’s probably because no one even makes anything that really competes with it. Really a shame as I’ve always loved rovers. Will likely keep my lr3 forever

 

They are all junk. It comes down too how much junk you are willing to deal with.