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  1. Imatk

    Imatk Formula Junior

    May 6, 2007
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    After this Thanksgiving weekend I realize more than ever that I need to install new suspension bushings, and shocks on my 308. They look original and all of them are completely worn... some don't even exist anymore.

    I keep reading about welded bushings and on some threads there are people that say you must weld them and on others they say you don't have to?

    I can't weld, so I guess I need to know if this is necessary or not.

    If so I'll unfortunately have to get someone to do them for me which sucks, but it is what it is.

    I'm taking my car into Brian Crall here in a couple weeks so I'd rather he do them since it'll be there if this is something I can't tackle myself.

    Thanks for any info.
     
  2. ferrariowner

    ferrariowner Formula 3

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    You don't need to do any welding if you use the Energy Suspension brand bushings. The bushings fit the original housings. I am not sure about the other brands.
     
  3. miketuason

    miketuason F1 World Champ
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    I’m changing all bushings and installing VariShock coil over right now, in fact I just got all my A arm back from the powder coating shop. For front and rear A arms, I’m using the original bushings for the rear which are 20% harder than the front.

    Nick has the better polyurethane bushing kit that is graphite impregnated that eliminate the squeaking.
     
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  4. thorn

    thorn F1 Rookie
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    Rubber bushings should be tack-welded; poly bushings don't require it.
     
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  5. 4right

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    You can do this project yourself by farming out the more technical work. When I did this a few years ago, I basically disassembled the A arms, coil overs, ball joints and brake calipers. You can ask here for recommendations in your area for quality shops that can rebuild each of the components including installing the bushings. You will need to purchase new ball joints. Once everything is returned, you can simply go through the process of reassembly. You will need to get an alignment done afterwards. While you have everything out, you may also want to consider replacing all of the wheel bearings as well. You will be pleased with the result and get the satisfaction and enjoyment of doing this project yourself.
     
  6. Brian A

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    The tack welding is straightforward.

    If you can do the rest of the work yourself, you can take the arms with the new bushings installed into a shop with a welder and you can show them where to do the tack welds. You don’t need a specialist. For example, the folks at a muffler shop weld day in and day out.

    It shouldn’t be much time so shouldn’t be expensive. Its probably 15 minutes work if all the bushings are in place.
     
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  7. Glenn308QVturbo

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    I used the Energy Suspension Bushing and have been happy with them. Birdman's site has a good tutorial on installing them. He uses a press but I was able to remove the old ones in my vise bench vise. My shocks were in good shape so I replaced the rubber bushings and called it good. If you decided to go with the original style rubber bushing you can press them in and take them to a competent welding shop and have them tacked. I found the job pretty easy but it depends on your experience and comfort level.
     
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  8. Imatk

    Imatk Formula Junior

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    Awesome thanks guys... sounds like I'll be doing them one way or another :)
     
  9. Imatk

    Imatk Formula Junior

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    Do you have a link to the kit and since my shocks were leaking I'm going to have to replace those. I think the springs are ok, don't have them out yet obviously, but they rarely go bad.
     
  10. miketuason

    miketuason F1 World Champ
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    Here’s the link for Nick Forza suspension bushing kit:https://www.nicksforzaferrari.net/ferrari-308-328-mondial-a-arm-bushings.html a friend of mine just installed this a few weeks ago and he is very satisfied
     
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  11. rjd2

    rjd2 Karting

    Jul 28, 2016
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    I just completed this job. It's very doable, and fun in it's own way. There was definitely an onion peeling component for me; I ended up doing bushings>coilovers>brake caliper rebuild>sway bushings>steering rack rebuild>hub bearings, and blast/coat of the a-arms. welding not needed, but a hydraulic press was, for me at least...
     
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  12. ginoBBi512

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    I just completed a full on suspension restore,since the factory design and components worked so well over my 20 years and 100,000 miles (85k I put on ) of ownership, I used all OEM Koni factory shocks, bushings, upper and lower ball joints , tie rod ends as well as factory front and rear sway bar bushings. I wanted to mention that replacing all motor mounts made the most difference. I would suggest you replace yours as well. I did not replace the original springs. Im not sure if that would have made a difference, because my 328 handles fantastic .

    Thank you
     
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  13. GordonC

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    Check out this link: QA1 Shocks and Springs White Paper which is on the Support page of Unobtainium Supply Co www.unobtainiumsupply.com , run by forum member Verell. It's pretty detailed with part numbers etc. You need to buy a few items from Verell (Unobtainium Supply) to make them fit the a-arms without modifying the a-arms, and the shocks and springs can be bought from Summit Racing or others. You can't reuse the springs with the QA1 shocks, but everyone finds slightly stiffer than original springs to be preferable in conjunction with the QA1 shocks. Cost of the QA1 shocks is less than the Koni OEM replacements.
     
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  14. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I need to do this badly.

    But I want 100% stock components. Nothing fancy, no "upgrades". Just like it left the factory.

    That did this car well for 36 years and I don't want a bunch of squeaks and a ride like a floorjack when I'm done.
     
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  15. ginoBBi512

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    #15 ginoBBi512, Dec 1, 2020
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    The best upgrade as far as handling is concerned that you can do for any 308 / 328 is to go with 17 inch rims, then you can use better tires with super sticky rubber, this will be better than any other than stock shocks and springs , my opinion is that of keeping the car with the original suspension components which were mated to the chassis from the factory .My new used upgraded 17 s (compos ) are now wider than what I had before in 17s. , and my car now has even better mechanical grip than ever before. I dont expect my 328 to handle quite as good as a 4S or a Caymen, but the level of grip and feedback from the steering wheel is quite addictive , and maybe just a taste of what the F1 drivers of the 1970s felt while on the circuit !!

    Thank you
     
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  16. Basal Skull

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  17. derekw

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    Easy to do it yourself as others have said. Heat up the a-arm tube with a heat gun and press the bushes out slowly with a vice and some appropriate sockets. Check for cracks after pressing in the new ones and only get the weld to put two small tacks and cool with water between so as to not damage the rubber with heat. Remember that the bolts must only be tightened with the weight of the car on the wheels.

    near the bottom:
    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/dereks-308-engine-rebuild.535247/page-16
     
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  18. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Where did you source your bushings?
     
  19. mr308gtb

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    I would also like to tackle this DIY... going to be my next project after I fix my fuel pump!!!
     
  20. daynyc

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    I replaced the shocks and bushings on my 1984 QV last winter.
    I totally concur with what Gordon C said above. The QA 1 shocks and Energy Suspension bushings gave me excellent results and no welding was required. I do suggest however that you use the specific Energy Suspension lube, which is almost like a glue, as opposed to any old silicone grease.
     
  21. Imatk

    Imatk Formula Junior

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    I'm leaning toward stock components. I've gone down the poly bushing road before on other cars and it's always a bit too noisy/harsh for me. Might do the poly on the sway bars, but I'm probably going to do the rubber on the rest and just get someone to weld them in for me... just have to find someone to do it.

    I found the bushings on Superformance... those look "stock," with the shocks as well.

    You guys weren't kidding about the cost of the shocks... YIKES! But since I just paid over 200 bucks for a window washer bottle I'm ok with it :) Ferrari parts... a whole new world.
     
  22. ferrariowner

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    I purchased new Konis a few years ago. I think they were from the Tire Rack. They were not expensive then. My old shocks were all good. I wish I had not tossed them in the garbage :(
     
  23. 2cam

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    Isn't it possible to have the Konis rebuilt? For some reason, I was thinking that they could be redone.

    2cam
     
  24. Brian A

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    I brought my shocks into Performance Shock Inc at Sonoma Raceway. They are a factory Koni rebuild place but even they said that it is just as expensive getting the shocks rebuilt as it is to buy new ones. Last time I looked earlier this year Tire Rack still sold them.

    Regarding a-arm bushings, Superformace told me that they spec a firmer rubber in their bushings than the factory did.
     
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  25. Cirorsi

    Cirorsi Formula Junior

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    I have oem control arm bushings I can let go. I’m now leaning toward Nick’s polymer bushings
     

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