Stradale or Scud? I can't decide.

Pretty sure this dilemma has been asked and answered a few times in the 360/430 section - might be worth a look

 

Buy the one that pushes your buttons the most, then if it doesn't meet your expectations down the road, sell it and get the other.

 

have you driven both .? the scud is pretty raw compared to any other modern Ferrari .. but try them both and get what floats your boat. for me it is the scud.
but the CS is pretty great also...

 

Can't go wrong with either.

Only way to find out is to test drive both.

 

You are clearly leaning CS, when I could write the very same words you did and my Scuderia preference would be just as clear. Good luck with your CS

 

I am a CS fan. I don't think people realize how much more special the CS was than the 430. People gravitated towards the newer faster... but I think history will remember it differnt...

Plus that stripe!

I think you already know your answer by the way

 

I have no doubt that the CS is a more important car to the lineage, and the better long term value......for me, the advantages of the Scuderia out weigh all that.

 

Looks and sound - CS.
Speed - Scud
I'm not tempted by Scud except 16M

 

Can I ask what you feel are the advantages?

Obviously the transmission shifts faster but is still archaic compared to a 458
Its faster, and it does have MUCH more low down torque.
It doesn't have belts... BUT... belt service on a CS isn't crazy. The 430 transmission has its own "issues"

Im genuinely asking. Im not trying to come across as a jerk

 

I know you're not a jerk (I'm the guy that helped you find your CGT a couple of years ago)......

78 horsepower
Chain timing as you said
An external appearance I like better (always thought the 360 was soft, but not pretty), the 430 being agressive (where being pretty doesn't matter)
I even like the striping better....and that its much easier to find a striped Scuderia
Much faster transmission
Better looking interior
Manetino switch
E-Diff
Exhaust bypass
Upgraded traction/stability system
Better brakes (improvement from the 1st gen CCBs)
Cheaper to get a better car.....my budget would only get me a high miles CS with little choices in color

I'm not an expert, I'm sure others know about further differences

 

Ohh ya! WOW! Ya I forgot about that! Im horrible with names.

Ya my personal preference is the 360 CS as far as styling... I absolutely LOVE the stripe!

The scud transmission is much much better... but... the E-diff is both good and bad. I have not had good luck with E-diff.

The exhaust bypass doesn't matter to me... because... well mine would get a capristo. Sacrilegious I know but dang does it sound good... almost as good as the CGT

Sorry if we are derailing the thread!

 

Nah, while we both really think the OP wants a CS, maybe the discussion can help others.

 

I do too, adds to the race car theme....and thus an issue for a guy like me. With a $200k all-in budget, a CS with a stripe is un-obtanium.

 

totally understand on the budget. There is a beautiful blue one that just came up for sale. I think its NART blue. Very pretty car. Miley. But pretty. No stripe

 

I went through this dilemma in 2010. Drove both and the for me the CS was the winner.

Ultimate speed is academic at this point. Both can put you in prison if you like. The CS experience is over the top. I had an F40 and this is the closest experience to that car.

The CS is brilliant on track, albeit not the fastest or the latest tech. But once you experience it, you will understand.

For me it's:

The driving experience
The looks
The sound
The steering

...and don't forget that it has a great cult following which have improved values and will probably continue to do so.

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CS

 

Chas has done what many CS guys do. They sell and come back. I have a local buddy that has done it 4X.

 

Which Scud are you looking at? I've researched the current ones for sale and they aren't selling for a reason.

 

Imo, the Scud is the better car, and sexier. But the CS is legendary.

 

Simple...if you buy to collect...CS, if you buy to drive...Scud.

I have a CS and test-drove a Scud for a few kms a couple of days ago (I would like to have both CS and Scud, I wouldn't trade it in for the Scud)... I can say the difference can be noticed immediately....much faster, responsive and the transmission is another planet...other than that, two other differences: the Scud is somewhat a little more refined...and the sound. The Scud does sound good, but the CS is another level.

 

Absolutely the CS. The Scud is nice, but the CS is on another level of rawness and if that is what you want, then go for the one who is the most raw. Plus it has the best sound of any V8 ever.

 

interesting however from my point of view the scud is much nicer looking not to offend anyone but it seems very nice looking and has the best looking back end view of virtually any modern Ferrari ... . the 16M is nice also but the hardtop to me is best

 

not true at all. With mileage on it, a striped CS can be had for under $200k. I sold mine last year with excellent options (factory stripe) and excellent history with 19,400 miles for $180k range (I don't know precise final price as I consigned it, but they told me they got $180s for it, I only know what I netted. They had it listed for $189k). There are a lot of dreamers with cars for sale. There have been two CS's with some mileage on them for sale for well under $200k here of late. (of course if you want a garage queen very low mile CS with factory stripe or without, you will have to spend over $200)

 

The torque difference and F1 transmission are the two major advantages of the Scud.

Looks are subjective and thus not worth debating imo...although we all know the CS is arguably the prettiest ferrari of the past 25 years

The CS does feel more raw and sounds better stock vs. stock (can be altered of course in either car).

The majority of people think the CS will retain value better in the long run (it gets debate, but thus far it has proven to be true and the majority (as I said) think CS wins that money matter.

The belts is a red herring. A good, complete belt job adds roughly $2400 in maint costs every 3 years. That's $800 per year. A rounding error on these cars' ownership costs.

Bottom line from me, I owned a CS for 7 years and the only other modern ferrari I considered owning was a Scud. So, they are both at the top for me. Ideally you get one and then trade it later on for the other and thus get to own/experience both. These "which car" thread often get painted incorrectly as some sort of life-time this or that choice. Get both, over time.