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  1. Paul308

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    Okay guys, my beautiful little 38 seems to be having a new problem now. Today the steering column seems to have developed a rough grinding sound when i turn the steering wheel to a fair degree (I don't hear anything on minor steering adjustments). So is there a bearing in the steering column close to the dash that may have just bit the dust? Any idea on how hard a problem this is to fix and how expensive?

    Thanks! :)
    Paul
     
  2. robertgarven

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    I had that smae problem on my trip to Monterey in 2004. After I pulled the hub of there is a metal bushing that rides along with the turn signal assembly I located the scraping noise here and put some grease in there . I cant remember wheteher I put silicone or white grease. Ther are horn contacts there but they looked fine and I put some dielectric grease on that. In the 2nd pic it is the shaft then the pastic thing then the thin metal bushing that was caausing it. After i put it back together I never had the problem again!

    Rob
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  3. Verell

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    Robertgarven,
    That's the horn ring commutator on the column switch.

    As for other bearings, yes, there are a pair of small universal joints further under the dash. You can see them by looking up from underneath. Unfortunately, they get overlooked & don't get lubricated, so 1 could have failed.
     
  4. Paul308

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    Hopefully it will be something as easy as needing a little grease. I'm glad you had the two pics from your own disassembly. Pictures are always helpful. Mine is an '85 308 but I expect it will be similar to yours. I gather yours is a GT4 from the pics?

    Thanks :)
    Paul
     
  5. Darolls

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    They have zerk fittings, so they are easy to grease.
     
  6. robertgarven

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    trust me,

    I had this exact problem I could be wrong but am almost sure it is in the stalk you do need a baum tool steering wheel nut to get it off. I never saw any grease fittings under there but will check again?

    Rob

    btw you need to loosen the nut with the wheel on then use a puller to remove the hub, I would not use the key lock to loosen the nut as the part is hard to find...
     
  7. chris marsh

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    I too am having the grinding. I am worried it's my steering box. I have to look at it closer but on first glance last night I see some sort of fluid on the frame behind the front wheels.
     
  8. Birdman

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    Not sure about the grinding part, but I love the VW pic! Is that a photoshop job? A real car painted like that would probably get you busted if you drove it!

    Birdman
     
  9. robertgarven

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  10. Paul308

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    As I suspected, the steering column stalk switch piece is broken inside my steering column and is the cuase of the grinding. Apparently you can no longer get new parts but there's a place out east that refurbishes them. The cost is $1250 for a refurbished part and they charge a $1000 core fee so you have to send them your old steering column switch stalk. All of the levers still worked...the turn signals and lights all work fine but something broke inside the column and the pieces is causing that horrendous grinding noise. The labor is around 2 to 3 hours to do all of this as well.

    Paul
     
  11. robertgarven

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    thats why I hardly ever use my turn signals!!!!

    I think Verell makes new parts for the assembly too?

    Rob
     
  12. Paul308

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    My turn signals and lights still worked (didn't check the windshield wipers). Whatever broke, it didn't affect those parts externally or in their function. I think a piece just broke off inside the steering column and that's what is causing the problem.

    Paul
     
  13. Verell

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    WOW!
    Thought I was the only column switch repair source in the world. Unless the main switch body is badly broken, I repair/refurbish the switches for less than half that. often for a lot less depending on what's broken.

    I do have the molds to repair any of the stalks, and have repaired other parts of the switch, including the main body(see link below). If necessary, I have a collection of switch parts, so can make a mold of the main switch body, or the horn rings if necessary.

    However,
    I don't have cores to exchange, so it usually takes me a couple of weekends to service a switch if I already have a mold of the broken piece.

    When you get it apart, post them here & pm or email me with a link to this thread & I'll get you a ballpark repair quote.

    Here's some of my prior column switch repair work:
    Headlight (aka: Column, Cluster) Switch & Switch Stalk Repair
    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21548&highlight=column+switch+stalk

    There's more in the old FerrariChat.com archives as well.

    BTW, I'd like to know the name & contact info of the repair source 'back east'.
     
  14. Paul308

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    I never got to see the part since I just took it to a mechanic and he sent it off already. I'm hoping the replacement part comes in today because I need the car back together by tomorrow. It was indeed very expensive but I guess that's what happens when you "need it now". I paid $705 for a new ECU last week too so I'm hemorhaging money...and my 308 is a beauty. It's just 21 years old and stuff happens. It's a good thing I did the 30k tune up with the belt replacement...I'd hate to have had a belt fail on me.

    Paul
     
  15. dstacy

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    Rutlands will rebuild 308 head/turn/wiper switch assy's for $1,400. The previous owner of my car had it done by them.
     
  16. Verell

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    Hmm,
    Birdman's been telling me my switch repair prices are way too low...
    ;^)

    However,
    I can't in conscience almost triple them to compete with Ted R. Would like to see some of his restoration work so I could compare it to mine. Always ready to learn something.
     
  17. flavioleon

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    I open this thread again
    I had a grinding sound on the steering column. It came from the steering hub.
    I extracted the hub nut with the special tool and I managed to remove the hub with an extractor.
    What should I do to remove the wheel with the contact ring? I have to reach the metal ring between the hub and the steering column and I'm afraid of breaking something
    thanks

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  18. robertgarven

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    I clean it all off (vacuum), would put some dielectric grease down there, and put it back together. Mine sound never came back.
     
  19. flavioleon

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    thanks Robert but I suspect the metal ring is rotated in the seat, coming out of the joints on the column
     
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  21. robertgarven

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    Is that your car? It looks fine?
     
  22. flavioleon

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    the previous one is mine ..................... the last one has been taken from web
    So no bodyelse can help me ?
     
  23. jacques

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    May I please ask why people put dilectric grease on electrical connections when it impeads voltage ..it seem that electrical connective grease would be more in order for maximum electrial flow...Thank you all so very much in advance. Jq.
     
  24. robertgarven

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    I did not know there was a difference can you suggest a good brand that’s easily available ?

    Flavio, my next suggestion, just start taking it apart so you can determine what parts are broken and go from there.??




     
  25. bitsobrits

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    We do it to prevent corrosion of course.

    If the mechanical connection aspect of the electrical joint is correct, the dielectric grease will be sufficiently displaced by the mechanical connection and everything works as planned. Conductive grease can create all sorts of issues unless it's applied very carefully and sparingly with absolutely no excess outside of the protected joint area. As someone who spent the early part of my career as a manufacturing control systems engineer, I would never suggest conductive grease for an automotive application. Too easy to get it wrong.

    Some fun reading: https: //www.w8ji.com/dielectric_grease_vs_conductive_grease.htm
     

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