Specs for '83 308 GTS QV - Euro vs. US models

BHP difference is maybe 10-15bhp more at the flywheel. Weight is no way more than 100-150lbs difference. I saw a *nice* 308 Euro QV dyno about 188rwbhp (somewhere around there if I remember right) and a US QV dyno in the upper 170s.

 

The specs are all in the book, FERRARI V8 by Keith Bluemel. If you do an F-Chat search, you will probably find postings from the book. If not, I can post info. later in this thread.

 

While the Bluemel book is good, I have found much of the information regarding weight and actual bhp to be horribly inaccurate.

 

What is your source?

 

Experience would be his source. Ive read stuff in that book too and shook my head over the mistakes. Some are obvious errors to even the greenist of 308 owners. Good reading and good pics just dont believe all that is written.

 

I took my '85' Euro 308 GTS QV to a friend of mine who happens to own a scrap yard and got on their scales. Mine weighed in at 2952 lbs. with about a half a tank of gas. Also, euro 308, 0-60= 5.9, US version, 0-60= 7.4.

 

According to page 38 of Keith Bluemel's book, an '85 Euro 308 GTS QV weighs 2956 lbs, so we know that stat is good.

 

yes that is undoubtedly one of the more accurate numbers. the dry weight numbers for US cars is all off though.

 

Is there a good book out there with accurate numbers? I'm also looking for a real good coffee table book (not necessarily for stat info, just for guests to look at while visiting). Any suggestions for either?

 

All the books I have ever come across post factory numbers or some contrived number which confuses me as to how that number was come to or it is very vague. Full tank? full spare? passengers inside? cats? thermo reactor muffler? US bumpers? Euro bumpers? A/C? air pumps? Things to keep in mind when comparing Euro to US spec cars are the constants between the models (ie. things that are the same no matter which market), and what is different and what are those actual weight differences.

We know the US bumpers bring about 80lbs extra to a US car. Euro bumpers weigh about 5lbs each while US weigh 45lbs each. The additional bracing to the rear of a US car adds another 20lbs. Newman can key in on this better than anyone because he physically cut his out of his car and posted photos of the stuff he removed. The earliest US cars had the famous thermoreactor mufflers and black mesh diaper covering it which altogether weighed over 100lbs. A nice stainless exhaust or Ansa sport has been placed on a huge amount of US cars which subtracts a good 80lbs. I am convinced the bracing in the doors adds no more than 7-10lbs total if that. Early cars had two air pumps and they weigh about 10lbs each. The infrastructure for the air pumps adds another 5lbs max (thin piping, brackets, and a couple valves from GM). US Sidemarker lights? Do those count??? (lol). That's about all I can think of at the moment.


As for 0-60 times. The biggest questions I have are: Who is driving and do they know how to really launch a Ferrari? How are they measuring (accelerometers inside the car, 3mph rollout, full tank of fuel, subractions for wheel spin, what rpm are they shifting at, what was the temperature that day, elevation, barometric pressure)? So just saying Euro cars are 5.9 to 60 and US cars are 7.4 is highly suspicious. I have read magazines write-ups were they quote US QV's get to 60 in about 6.5. Again, what are their measuring perameters!? So who is to say the Euro QV someone launched to 60 in 5.9 seconds wasn't on 1 gallon of fuel, had super sticky tires, alloted 3mph rollout, and had a cold day at sea level with high humidity lol. You get where I am going.

 

Euro cars may command a premium for buyers who are not concerned with state emission laws and is easily registerable. Hard to say really because one can never tell what states are going to do next regarding their green laws

 

i have a QV GTB Euro. i like the color on your GTS. good luck with the sale.