Source/price for 400/412 engine?

You're in luck. There's a guy advertising a 412 engine on ferrari market letter. He says only that he's asking less than the cost of a rebuild.

 

Mustang 5.0L V8's are cheap...

 

Mark,
Forzamotorsport.com out of Gaylordsville, Ct has a wrecked 400i on sale for $13k---talk to Peter & see if you can get it for a little less(plus you'll have extra parts if needed or sell them).
Bruce(former St. Peters vill. resident)

 

UH OH!

I think I know that car at Forza. ....more to come.

 

WHEW! I thought it was fellow Fchatter Aleventhal's car but after looking at side by side pictures I don't believe it is. Alex's car has front rectangular markrs, the Forza car doesn't.
Which leads me to the next question; does anyone know this car?

 

I don't know what it would be worth whole, but you could get your money back if you parted it out. I would give my left arm for a windshield right about now, and there are dozens of small parts I could use as well. There are plenty of guys on here with similar want lists. Parting a car out is a major hassle, but I would venture to say you could get your engine virtually for free if you did.

 

Your 1st pix shows engine ready to bolt up to a 5-sp tranny, 2nd pix to the torque converter of an automatic. In my Spare Parts Catalogue it shows set-ups for both GT & Auto versions. What your 2nd pix is showing is part #108999--"flange between engine and gearbox" & part # 111175---"flange" attached to the back of the block which receives the auto gearbox. 1st pix is absent of these parts, and is ready for 5-sp tranny hook-up(clutch housing with/in tranny cast). The 2nd motor doesn't look quite the same. My catalogue shows both auto and manual set-ups--- I would only imagine that if two different blocks were used, the catalogue would reflect it. One quick call to Bill Pollard/Sport Auto in Gaylordsville, Ct.(860-350-1515) could render you 'the correct answer'.
Don't know which would be harder (or longer of a wait), grap the car with the auto now(so as to start the rebuild), or wait for a motor/5-sp (as a pair) to become available. There were only 353 400(carb) 5-speeds, 427 400i(inj) 5-speeds, and 226 412 5-speeds in the world---and that is it!! I'm not certain of the 330 & 365 blocks, but they are awfully close in size(just a change in sleeves and rods could make the difference). And Luigi Chinetti(NY,NY), a driver for Enzo's Scuderia, played a big part in the development of the automatic tranny set-up on the 365 for the American market.
Can't imagine Ferrari manufacturing two different blocks for such a limited production vehicle, but I could be mistaken(bores remained the same for the 365 & 400 Colombo blocks @ 81mm, strokes increased by 7mm to 78mm in the 400, and bore increased by 1mm to 82mm in the 412).... Just ask Bill.
Are you looking to keep your set-up 'all-Ferrari', or can a transitional flange be foundaried to mate to another manufacturer's tranny? I'm sure we're all really curious as to how the whole assy. will fit in the back of a 308. Keep us all posted on your conversion please.

 

I show:
147 - carb'd 400 5 speeds
424 - 400i 5 speeds
270 - 412 5 speeds


But for those of us in the states it gets worse than that if you consider that there were less than 70 400i and less than 50 412 5 speeds brought to the US.

 

Just got off the phone with Peter @ Forza Motorsports, we both felt the same @ blocks being the same along with the 365GT4/2+2. After commenting on the v-12/tranny install, he mentioned that 3 of 4 conversions have been done over the years that he knew of---That's when I realized you didn't need the tranny, just the config. of the back of the block to take the transaxle. He also mentioned that he thought there was a kit avail. for the conversion, but didn't know where. The pix on the conversion looks like it has carbs front and center between the banks. Were you going the carb route as well? The fuel metering distributors are real space busters, as they mount to the side of the engine on top of the air filter boxes. For extra space, there's always that trunk.

 

Dave

Uh? What side-by-side pictures? The 308 GT4 is in the UK - note the registration plate. The owner posted about the price he was offered for the 400 engine a few months ago. No need to update your US database!

Aidan

 

I bought a 400i engine that was slightly fire damaged (the one in the photo above) for £600. I sold it soon after for £1200 and the buyer seemed extremely pleased at the price! That was in July 2007. The car it came from was showing 50,000 miles.

 

Think I confused you Aidan. I'm not talking about a GT4.
Take a look at www.forzamotorsports.com and look at the wrecked 400i. I thought it was Leventhal's at first glance.

 

I was going to fit it to my 308 GT4, but unless I did most of the work myself it would have worked out cheaper to just buy a Berlinetta Boxer!

 

Well Mark, I wish you the best of luck. I found my engine on an Ebay ad for someone parting out a 400i. As I said on another thread, I think 400s have turned the corner, because I haven't seen any really cheap ones (<£6k) in the UK this year.

Have you considered an engine from the 365 GT4 2+2 which has carbs, and potentially better breathing than the 400i?

 

What a shame, as it looks like it was in reasonable shape before the crash. That's one of the downsides of these cars, the high cost or sheer unavailability of crash parts means that it doesn't take very much of a crash to total the car, even if the insurance company agrees that the value should match current market prices.

Here are my numbers on 5 speed production numbers:

400: 145 (412 book by Automobilia) or 147 (by Ferrari Market Letter)

400i: 424

412: 270 (FML)

John

 

Hey, with friends like this , who needs enemies. Just joking! I think Dan's trying to say that they are out there(once in a long while)....I remember this purchase---garden planter, coffee or end table; something to that effect. Maybe this is the motor that's up for sale @$9500., this could be a hot business to get into---selling 'slightly fire damaged' motors.