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Smog Check-Secondary Air Reset

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  1. RonH

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    Hi everyone. This is my first post on the site. I have read a lot of the threads with great interest, especially the ones about secondary air resets for smog checks. Unfortunately I have not found any that address my specific problem and I was hoping you have some suggestions.

    About 8 months ago I bought a 2007 612. It was a Florida car and I had it shipped out to California. I went through the smog check process to get it registered and have a huge problem with the secondary air resetting. Essentially the vehicle wont pass smog inspection because the computer's secondary air monitor will not reset to ready status even though the vehicle mechanically is fine and does not smog.

    I worked with the local Ferrari dealer and they tried on multiple occasions over a two month period to get the secondary air to reset. Finally they issued the following report: "Verified secondary air monitor will not set. Performed electronic engine control test. No errors or issues found. Contacted Ferrari factory. There is currently no remedy/solution."

    With this in hand the DMV's Smog Referee performed its own physical test and confirmed that the car did not in fact smog and gave me a one time exemption. However, they said they will not do so again and the secondary air must reset. This is my semi daily driver and I have driven it several thousand miles since and the Ferrari dealer has checked it monthly and it will not reset.

    Does anybody have any ideas what I can do? It appears to be a computer/software issue.

    Thanks

    Ron
     
  2. mello

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  3. RonH

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    Thanks Steve, yes I had gone through that thread but unfortunately I didn't see anything there that applied. Mine seems to be beyond the problems discussed there (the dealer says there are no error codes, the car is operating fine and it physically passes the smog check).

    I suspect I am going to have to find someone that can rework the computer software since the factory doesn't have a solution either. But that is just a guess. It's gone on for about 8 months and probably about 6 visits to the Ferrari dealer all told.

    I certainly would be interested if others have encountered this problem and found any solutions.

    Ron
     
  4. tbakowsky

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    Maybe your standards are tighter, but the car should pass the e-test with one monitor not set. If you have more then 2 monitors not set the car will fail.
     
  5. RonH

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    Thanks Howie. Unfortunately in the People's Republic of Callifornia as of last June we required that NO monitors cannot be set. Of course!

    By the way, the "Cold North"? A fellow Canuck?

    Ron
     
  6. ar4me

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    For what it is worth I have a 2007 612 and haven't had problems passing CA smog check. Some years ago it was the rolling road test, while recent ones have been OBDII connect only.
     
  7. metaldriver

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    Ferrari represents their cars are EPA-compliant in all fifty states, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to sell any in the US in the first place. Your car from Florida can’t pass the California smog test. Although you did not buy your car from them, the dealership you are working with acknowledges there is an issue with your car’s secondary air system readiness test. This could be viewed as having merit of arguing who should fix your car properly, especially since there is at least one other 2007 612 in California that passes inspection.
     
  8. RonH

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    Interesting thoughts Andy. Obviously I feel frustrated because I am being told there is no solution and my ability to continue to drive a perfectly good car in CA is going to come to an end over a technical glitch. I wonder if there is any way to communicate with Ferrari on this. My suspicion is it is some kind of software glitch. My dealer has told me that other model Ferraris that they service have the same problem. It probably is also more common than most think but it only a problem here in CA because, as Howie pointed out, CA is the only state to require all monitors to be set.
     
  9. ar4me

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    Which authorized Ferrari dealer is telling you that there is nothing that can be done to get your 612 to pass smog? Ferrari of Newport Beach? Time to call FNA.
     
  10. metaldriver

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    #10 metaldriver, Jun 2, 2016
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    Ron - being new to the forum, be sure to check your private messages folder. Therein you will find a note with a not-so-subtle strategy of how you may find resolution to the problem. It is along the lines of the comment by ar4me but goes into more detail. It seems that you have been rather patient with each visit to the dealership, only to experience the same unresolved outcome. Rather than the unthinkable of relinquishing your Ferrari because of a software glitch, if the dealership acknowledges there is a problem it may be time to "take the gloves off" because whether they realize it or not, that dealership just admitted a degree of culpability in exposing FNA to a recurring problem.
     
  11. North bay tech

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    Ron, That era V12 engine is notoriously difficult to set secondary air monitors on. It is one of those issues where it sometimes requires multiple very minor repairs and finally it will set. The parameters are so tight! Your exhaust needs to be leak free, especially on cold start. lots of cars have a slight leak at the exhaust manifolds that keeps the monitor from setting (too much oxygen read by the O2 sensors). Have that checked. The oxygen sensors themselves have to be in good condition and not slow or lazy. The mechanical valves for the secondary air get carbon clogged and do not always open all the way, they may need to be replaced. There may be excessive carbon built up in the passage from the valve into the exhaust, blow compressed air through to check and clear out while replacing mechanical valves. Make sure there is no leaks from the pump to the mechanical valves, you need that air pressure to be as high as possible. Then after all that is verified and in good order the Ecu's need to be reset and a very specific test drive needs to be performed. Your Dealer is obviously going to charge for that work but there is no way around it. I have had cars that had no faults in either Ecu. They needed all that and more and still took about two weeks and 200 miles of specific driving to set the monitors. Changes in the smog laws a little over a year ago has caused a flood of cars not to pass and need extra work. I know thats a lot of technical talk but hopefully it helps and gives you some options.
     
  12. ar4me

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    Perhaps Ron should consider sending his car up to you since you have experience with the problem. Petaluma is a nice day's drive up the coast from Corona Del Mar, drop off the car, fly home, and when it is sorted fly back up, and drive it back down :) The drive from Monterey and south on Hwy 1 should bring some Ferrari smiles back on your face Ron :)
     
  13. RonH

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    Josh, this is very helpful. The Ferrari dealer did have it for several weeks trying to make it work before he gave up and we sent it over to the Smog Referee. He also did replace sensors and put a lot of miles on it trying to get it to click over. But from what you said perhaps it is time for a second opinion.

    One question though, it did pass the tailpipe test with the Smog Referee. But I think what you are saying is the car might not physically smog but there still might be something physically wrong with it stoping the monitor from clicking over (i.e. It still might be a physical problem not a software problem). Correct?

    Thanks for all of your guidance.
     
  14. RonH

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    Jes, thanks for the words of encouragement. I do have another year to get it right and so a fall drive up Hwy 1 might just be what the doctor ordered!

    By the way, I never did loose the smile on my face. I use the car as a semi daily driver and I have a blast. Of course it is red and so everywhere I go someone makes a comment. Lots of fun.
     
  15. North bay tech

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    Exactly Ron, there isn't necessarily a problem with your car. It's just that the secondary air is not running as efficient as it was originally designed. So the monitor won't pass. After dieselgate ( VW emissions scandal) the old software fix is not an option anymore. That's not official but it's what I gather from my experience. So as time goes on this will become an issue for more Ferrari owners than it used to be.
     
  16. RonH

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    Thanks Josh. I guess I have work to do. Love the fact that I am on the "cutting edge" for Ferrari owners in CA. Maybe see you this fall!
     
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    Good luck Ron and keep us updated
     
  18. ar4me

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    Guess I may have a surprise too when my 612 is due for smog later this summer - hadn't had an issue in the past, but if the new requirements since my last smog are stricter, who knows...
     
  19. RonH

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    Jes, my layman's understanding of the situation is that last year California started the requirement that all of the car's monitors must reset to ready status. Most other states allow one monitor not to reset (as did California up to that time).

    Apparently it is a common problem that a monitor does not reset (not isolated to 612s or even Ferraris). If this happens to you then you can get a failure report from a smog station, take your car to a Ferrari dealer, if they can't fix it then you can get them to give you a letter and then you go to the DMV "Smog Referee". The information regarding the program and contact points for the Smog Referee are: https://www.bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee/Referee_Centers.html

    The Smog Referee will send you to one of their in house testing stations and subject your car to a tailpipe test (at Golden West College for us in Orange County). If you pass the test then you will get a one time exemption. Be aware, this process takes about 3 months and so you have to take your car to the Smog Referee on expired tags just to add to the fun.

    Then you end up where I am at, trying to solve the problem for "next time".

    Happy to help if you have to go through this process.

    Ron
     
  20. ar4me

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    Thanks Ron. Will keep it in mind.
     
  21. metaldriver

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    #21 metaldriver, Jun 5, 2016
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    Although this thread originated with a concern for a 612, perhaps it may be helpful that I was able to clear the secondary air readiness code on my 360. I followed the FNA 20 driving reset procedure, paying particular attention to the step that outlines driving at 2500 RPM in fourth gear for 3.5 miles then gradually accelerating to 4500 RPM then slowing (without clutching or braking) to 2000 RPM.

    My previous understanding was that each step of the driving procedure must be a seamless transition from one to the next. I now believe that to not be true, because each step the ECU step is testing for specific parameters. After a parameter is okay, the ECU then tests the next parameter under different driving conditions. Each test is “independent” of each other, although all of the OBD systems are related one way or another, however slight.

    After performing the prescribed ten minute drive at the end of that procedure I made a u-turn for the trip home. Being early in the morning there was no traffic, so I let the engine breath hard. I let off the gas at almost 160 MPH to let the engine slow the car down from about 7000 RPM to 3500 RM in sixth gear without clutching, so there was a stronger vacuum than in the step where I slowed from 4500 RPM to 2000 RPM in fourth gear.

    I am not certain if clearing the secondary air readiness code was a result of slowing the car during normal driving or by slowing the car from the high-speed pass. It seems plausible the success of the purge function is dependent on how strong of a vacuum is being pulled on the evaporative system. Below are the conditions of the before and after readiness codes.
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  22. RonH

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    Andy thanks a lot for this. Can you give us some information on obtaining the code reader you were using. I would like to get one myself. It would be helpful with the smog check issue. Also I left my gas cap loose a few weeks ago and had to get the dealership to remove the engine code. I would assume that this would enable me to fix that as well.

    Thanks

    Ron
     
  23. metaldriver

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    Purchased from Harbor Freight for $70. It provides a host of other information which is recording while data logging. Other parameters that I find particularly useful are fuel trim, mass airflow and air intake temperature.

    I previously used a wireless interface module that works with any number of free apps. One day my phone stopped communicating, no matter which of the three modules I plugged into the OBD port and no matter which of the three apps I have on my phone. I tried every combination then gave up and bought the Centech 60693.

    Yes, you can clear the CEL codes yourself with this tool.
     
  24. RonH

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    Thanks a lot Andy
     
  25. olymkrl

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    Hey Ron,
    I've had the same problem for a year with my 2005 575 Superamerica. The car
    has been in independent Ferrari shop for a month. After much testing top 4 oxy-
    sensors were replaced & no help, now lower 4 oxy-sensors have been replaced &
    testing continues to try to set secondary air code,so far no word from shop..
    The ca state referee denied my request for extension,so no lic sticker yet. May have to go out of state for register. What a mess,hope you have better luck Ron.
    Troy
     

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