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silly question F40 v. Enzo

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by Randy, Apr 9, 2012.

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  1. Randy

    Randy Formula 3

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    I'm contemplating trading my 599 GTO for either an F40 or an Enzo. Which one should I choose, keeping in mind that the Enzo costs more than I ever wanted to pay for a automobile
     
  2. Hawkeye

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  3. Randy

    Randy Formula 3

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    Because of the price, performance, collectibility, design...or other reason?
     
  4. Rev.ATARI

    Rev.ATARI Formula Junior

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    Because of pure coolness.
     
  5. HH11

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    Personally I would keep the GTO. It's a little quicker than the Enzo, much easier to drive than an F40, and looks great. The Enzo is an awesome vehicle, and it will stop even a non-car person in their tracks, but the GTO is hard to beat. Go with your gut, but realize what you would be giving up.
     
  6. Ericja

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    Yes to all
     
  7. REALZEUS

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    Certainly not in a straight line. ;)

    I would go for the Enzo any day. The F40 is so last century by comparisson.
     
  8. Bill S

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    Pure coolness?

    I have both. When I take both out to shows and drives, the F40 usually becomes invisible to most people. Everyone want to drive or sit in the Enzo. The Enzo still amazes car people and non-car people, especially when you open the doors and hoods.

    BTW, I believe the Enzo is faster than the 599 GTO on most large tracks, and possibly when accelerating over 60 MPH? I haven't seen many tests for the GTO, so I'm not sure exactly where they differ.
     
  9. Ferrari 360 CS

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    +1
     
  10. Red Head Seeker

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    You may find the "Turbo Lag" in the F40 NOT to your liking....Mark
     
  11. mikesufka

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    Would a GTO and F40 be approximately the cost of an Enzo?
     
  12. HH11

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    One local owner who has both (Enzo and GTO) says the GTO is faster. It does have a tiny bit more HP and a faster trans. It also has much improved CCBs. I think it goes around Fiorano a little quicker. All that doesn't really matter though. It's all about how it makes you feel.
     
  13. Traveller

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    For investment purposes only, I suspect the F40 is the way to go and currently undervalued.
     
  14. Bas

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    Fit a pair of EFR 6755 or 6758. Remap and all your problems are gone...
     
  15. REALZEUS

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    The Enzo's vastly superior power to weight ratio, makes it some 5 seconds quicker than the 599 GTO from a standstill to 300 km/h. That said, the GTO has vastly superior tyres (some 10 years newer in technology) and newer electronics. That's why on a twisty track, such as Fiorano, it will be in front of the older hypercar. On a more open and fast track though, my money is definetely on the huge power/weight ratio and light weight of the Enzo.
     
  16. nthfinity

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    For drivability, the 599 GTO can't be beat by the other two. Visibility, power, and blind spots are at a minimum.

    For driver involvement, the F40 can't be beat. Warm up the transmission, and she is pretty silky with shifting. The car doesn't make much sense unless you are driving 'harder'; and the way that power builds is phenomenal. The brakes leave a lot to be desired though.

    For perfection in steering feel, a ruckus noise; and other-worldly looks, the Enzo can't be beat. Although, it does feel like a fishbowl.

    If you go for the F40, shoot me a PM, and I'll point you to a way to reduce maintenance costs. (No financial gain for me).
     
  17. joe sackey

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    My recommendation would be to keep the GTO and get an F40 for more reasons than I can post here.

    Feel free to contact me privately and we can discuss.
     
  18. Forcefed

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    This is just my opinion.

    Keep the GTO. I do believe it will hold its price in the future. Also it is an amazing beast, has plenty of power and endless technology. I'd keep the GTO and add the F40 to it.

    The reason I choose the F40 over the Enzo is because where I come from(U.A.E) its much much easier to get an Enzo than an F40. Even though the Enzo is a limited build its way easier to find. There is at least 4 for sale here plus one in the Dubai police car impound that has been there for ages with a thick layer of dust all over it. This car will probably sell for near to nothing at auction soon. The owner has heaps and heaps of money so he doesn't even care about the car, I don't even think he knows what he is throwing out the window..

    The F40 on the other hand is pretty much impossible to find where I am. Plus just look at it, its a beauty. Yes it lacks in all of the above, but look at the damn thing its just an endless piece of art.
     
  19. Forcefed

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    He Joe dont go around selling all the F40s. Save me one. I will be knocking your door hopefully next June.
     
  20. Bas

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    Must agree with this.

    One owner of both here said if you fit the same tires on the Enzo it'll blow it away.

    I wonder who the first owner will be to add superfast II software and newer CCM's to the Enzo.
     
  21. George330

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    I part exchanged my 599 GTO for an Enzo and never regretted it. The Enzo IS faster than the 599 GTO by the way. And it is ten times more special.

    At the risk of sounding controversial I would suggest the Enzo over the F40. Right now the Enzo is at the low point of its price path. A new car is on the way, the F40 is considered way cooler, the 288 is breaking a million dollars and few people want the spaceship Ferrari launched 10 years ago... Plus all the kids that dreamt of owning one in 2003 still haven't got the cash to get it...on the other hand I m in the age group that had F40s on the walls and my more fortunate peers are just becoming able to afford it...which means that the F40 is no longer a bargain

    I also think the Enzo is more usable...I know it sounds crazy but it is true...I owned them both and you can drive the Enzo every day (I know I am pushing it a bit). The F40 is much less friendly with its minimal ground clearance, monster clutch and lack of driver-nannying electronics...

    Whichever way you go, you won't be sorry!
     
  22. Tipo815

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    Like Bill S and a few others - I've owned both (and still own the Enzo). I don't think you can really compare the Enzo and the F40 on any level. They are really very different cars with the exception of the Ferrari badge on the hood.

    It comes down to what you're looking for. Your GTO is the pinnacle (arguably) of Ferrari's modern day offerings. It has (almost) the best and latest of everything Maranello has to offer in a limited production car. It should remain a fairly special car for the foreseeable future.

    On the other hand the F40 is OLD! Everything about it is old. That being said - the "oldness" defines its character that so many love and miss in today's modern variants. Even the crappy brakes have a place in many people's hearts! Everything from the turbo lag to the door rattles evokes emotions of what real supercars were really like. For me personally I did not enjoy the oldness which is why the F40 and F50 went by the wayside. I honestly enjoy driving the modern supercars much more.

    The Enzo - while currently Ferrari's modern supercar - still suffers from decades old technology BUT ... it's an Enzo. As Bill mentioned the F40 almost disappears at car shows by comparison. It's almost as if nothing else matters. So what if the GTO is faster, shifts smoother, etc? So what if the F40 is iconic? The Enzo ... is an Enzo! Nothing more needs to be said about it. Many may not agree but it undoubtedly attracts the most attention of the three and is probably the most desired of the three by most.

    The problem is that one Enzo costs more than a F40 and a GTO combined these days. If I were making the decision the Enzo would be choice #1 followed by the GTO with the F40 last. Since you already have the GTO I'd say that stepping into a F40 is going to be disappointing across the board. The Enzo - while not necessarily faster - will evoke alot more other emotions purely based on what it is.

    I'd either buy one Enzo OR keep the GTO and buy the F40 to compliment it (Joe's recommendation). I wouldn't sell the GTO and only buy the F40. That would be a mistake IMO. Good problem to have though! :)
     
  23. ChalStrad

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    The F40 was the First supercar
    The F40 IS the only real supercar
    The GTO is a modern day F40
    An Enzo is overpriced and it won't do things to you that an F40 will
     
  24. REALZEUS

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    That's like saying that a Eurofighter won't do anything to him compared to a Spitfire.
     
  25. joe sackey

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    So true. It really just comes down to personal preference. To me, the Enzo might be faster, but NOTHING delivers power like a well-tuned F40 on full-boost :)
     

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