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SF90 Problems - Ferrari Customer Service Is Horrible!

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  1. 808 Guy

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    I have been a loyal Ferrari enthusiast for many years. I have owned many different Ferrari models, the latest being the SF90. In my opinion, the car is phenomenal. It is incredibly fast, extremely tight and precise, and a pure joy to drive. Despite my love for the car, I have experienced an issue that has jaded my opinion of the brand:


    May 18th: I was driving a mountain road and following a McLaren 720S. We were definitely “driving” the cars. There were hard downshifts and decelerations followed by immediate accelerations and upshifts. Basically, the car was being driven the way it was designed to be used. At the end of the 10 mile stretch of road we pulled into a parking lot and the digital display lit up with multiple error messages: “Engine Control System Failure,” “Warning Limited Performance of the engine,” “Hot pipe control system failure.” The car went into limp mode and a turtle appeared on the screen. For the next 15 miles I limped my way out of the canyon and back home.

    May 20th: I had the car towed to Salt Lake City Ferrari. After weeks of run arounds and difficulty reaching the Ferrari Corporate Offices, Ferrari Corporate finally got back to Salt Lake City Ferrari and decided to replace the Hot Pipes. The Salt Lake City service technician believes that the issue is related to software or a sensor, not the Hot Pipes, but because the car is under warranty, the service department is required to follow Ferrari’s directives.

    June 20th: Last week, about 30 days after the car arrived in service, the Hot Pipes finally arrived at the dealership and were installed. Great! I finally get my car back, right? Not so fast……although the hot pipes have been installed the service department is now waiting on Ferrari to send a password to complete the install.

    June 25th: Still no password from Ferrari. Apparently, Ferrari’s technical system is down and, despite the dealership’s efforts of texting/calling/emailing Ferrari for the password there has been zero response. How can a brand of this magnitude have such horrible communication with its dealerships? To make matters worse, this may not even fix the issue. Remember, if the problem is related to software or a sensor, as the technician expects, we are back at square one and there will be much more time involved.


    I understand that Ferrari is a very exclusive brand with an exclusive clientele list. With that being said, shouldn’t customer service and customer retention be a top priority? Ferrari has failed miserably on this repair and the customer service side has been nothing short of atrocious. An email to Ferrari Headquarters regarding my concerns was brushed off with a very simple, yet deflective, reply from Natalia in Ferrari Customer Care of “We would like to inform you that we verified your case with our responsible department and that Ferrari of Salt Lake City remains your main point of contact. Therefore, we kindly advise you to refer to them for further details. Furthermore, please rest assured that Ferrari of Salt Lake City will be at your full disposal in ensuring you can enjoy your Ferrari in short time.” Basically, Ferrari accepts zero accountability for their failures. My sole source of recourse is with the dealership; a dealership that has given their all in resolving this issue and is completely dependent on Ferrari for prompt replies and assistance.


    I have been a Ferrari enthusiast since I was 12 years old and I will forever love the joy that comes with driving their cars. The cars that they produce are nothing short of spectacular. Even with this problem, the SF90 remains one of the best cars that I have ever driven. The performance is otherworldly, the steering response is absolutely perfect, and each drive always ends with a huge smile on my face (well – almost every drive). Despite these positives, the SF90 will be the last Ferrari that I own. I refuse to deal with a brand that doesn’t value me as a client and doesn’t prioritize customer service. To have an $800,000.00 car sit for 35+ days, and counting, in service is simply inexcusable. I know that I am a small fish in a big pond but, there are many other brands that will gladly take my money and treat me the way I deserve to be treated.
     
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  3. Cocoloco

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    #3 Cocoloco, Jun 26, 2024
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    Loyalty has value and this post does not - my .02
    Ask for a demo or next allocation early etc - Ferrari and the dealer want you to be satisfied.
    30 days in Italian time or even worse a system hack - build a bridge vs blowing it up.
     
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  4. 808 Guy

    808 Guy Rookie

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    Loyalty requires effort on both sides and I haven't seen any real effort from Ferrari in this situation. Even given the CDK hack, the time that has been wasted due to Ferrari Corporates poor communication channels with SLC Ferrari has been inexcusable. I have owned many other exotics and have never had a single car sit in service for more than 10 days. I understand that this is a new vehicle and that it takes time to work out the kinks but, we are nearly 4 years into SF90 production. I am not the first owner with this issue and I wont be the last. The fact that Ferrari hasn't streamlined the process, 4 years into a production run, with the appropriate checks and balances is inexcusable. To me, Ferrari has demonstrated that warranty repairs and customer service is taking a back seat to sales and new production and that doesn't sit well. When your SF90 sits in service for a significant period of the prime driving season perhaps you will feel the same. That is my .02 cents.
     
  5. Cocoloco

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    #5 Cocoloco, Jun 26, 2024
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    I think there are better ways than here to get what you want - it's your choice.
    Grab the GM service Mgr and have a meeting - let them offer you a solution.
    Writing letters around them is only going to hurt them which will hurt you.
    Go to Hermes tell them their product sucks and see what they say, Welcome to the elite brands with elite attitudes of high end then throw in electric systems from Ferrari - we all know this going in.
     
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  6. 808 Guy

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    Ferrari SLC has been fantastic. They are keenly aware of my gripes with Ferrari Corporate. This post has in no way circumvented them. And, to be clear, there is nothing that I am wanting out of this post. To think that this irrelevant post may have some sort of positive effect on my situation would be nonsensical. Basically, the situation is what is and I actually agree with what you saying regarding elite brands. Ferrari isn't going to change because they don't need to change. And yes, I absolutely knew this before I purchased this vehicle. With that being said, on the multiple Ferrari's that I have owned, this is the first time that I have ever experienced this type of service issue and time lapse on any vehicle. That has been disappointing.

    And...just for the record, my gripe isn't with the product. As mentioned in my post, the SF90 is the best car that I have ever owned and I am willing to deal with Ferrari's inefficiencies to own the car. I have no intentions of selling this car and will continue to deal with Ferrari and the warranty process; however, that doesn't mean that I support the way that the warranty is being handled nor does it mean that I will continue to accept Ferrari's inefficiencies on future purchases.
     
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  7. Cocoloco

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    #7 Cocoloco, Jun 27, 2024
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    SF90 has continually been improved and known issues are addressed.
    Perhaps it's a new issue they want diagnosed and or requires a part on back order, read every post / every factory improvement, they have made a lot of improvements over the years of production.
    Personally enjoy when my car goes into the shop and converse with the tech and service guys -
    Had a flat - two weeks to get a tire - if you desire the next best thing - when the dealer submits names, they review the customer.
    For twenty years had to ship my F cars three hundred miles - we received a new dealer 10 minutes away - I know what it's like and know what it's like to not get an allocation, let alone early or limited, and having to over pay for something on the lot to get in line. Good luck
     
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  8. ForeverNA

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    Yes this CDK platform heck is destroying so many brands in so many countries. Service cannot be done or communicated. This should be considered as a one off issue. Give them benefit of the doubts and see how it shakes out.
     
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  9. 808 Guy

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    I received my SF90 back after 40 days in service and it was like Christmas all over again. The car is truly spectacular. After the Hot Pipes were replaced and the software was updated, the error codes were able to be cleared and we were back in business. Thank you SLC Ferrari.

    My first stop on the way home was to Lamborghini to drive the SF90 back-to-back with the new Lamborghini Revuelto. The performance of the SF90, at least at our altitude of approximately 4000 ft, is noticeably stronger. The Revuelto, with its naturally aspirated V12, is an amazing car but, from a performance standpoint, the SF90 is a clear winner at this altitude.
     
  10. ForeverNA

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    Please tell us more. The demo literally just arrived at my Lambo dealership. I have a STO as well. I love the way Ruvuelto looks. It is just so menacing.

    My SF90S is not coming until next year and I am already looking at the one after. Can't help it. Lol

    How nimble is the drive of Ruvuelto? How crazy is the v12 NA sound?
     
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  11. 808 Guy

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    The Revuelto is definitely an amazing car. I placed my order this month for a January build. Delivery should be April or May of 2025. I ordered the matte verde turbine (basically army green) with a baseball glove brown leather interior. I have a Urus S that is the same color so, it will be fun to have matching cars.

    The sound of the Revuelto V12 is a deeper, more menacing sound. Not the high pitched V12 sound of the Aventador. The Revuelto feels bigger than the SF90 and isn’t as “precise” of a feel. I have the Assetto Fiorano package on my SF90 and the titanium springs are otherworldly. The precision of that car is so exact, I feel like I could hit a spot the size of a dime in the middle of a corner at 120mph. The Revuelto feels softer and less precise. Not in a bad way though. It is just different. On a track, the SF90 is my pick all day long.


    Here are my votes for a few characteristics of each car (I know that this is very subjective so feel free to chime in with your thoughts):

    - LOOKS: Revuelto

    - SOUND: Revuelto

    - PERFORMANCE: SF90

    - HANDELING: SF90

    - INTERIOR: Revuelto

    I intend to keep my SF90 and Revuelto (when it is delivered). They are very different cars that, as configured, serve very different purposes. If I am taking my wife to dinner, the Revuelto would be the easy choice. The various suspension settings and interior appointments with comfort seats and more cabin space make it a very comfortable car. If I am driving a mountain road with friends or just wanting to push my limits and get my adrenalin pumping, the SF90 is my choice all day long. It is the first car that has ever scared me, from a performance standpoint, and the only time I have ever been completely speechless during a launch. The SF90 is a PERFORMANCE BEAST and, I don’t think anything will ever compare (performance wise)!
     
  12. Divexxtreme

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    Great review. I’d only disagree with your assessment that the Revuelto looks better. To me it looks just like another Aventador. Nothing new or exciting at all. Whereas the SF90 looks like no other Ferrari, and is a much more beautiful design. But as you said, it’s completely subjective. Great post!
     
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  13. TiFuze

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    808, so glad you got your car back and it was like Christmas!
    Just went through a similar situation myself- same dealer, although it was a TPMS sensor and it was about 60 days.
    I likewise found the experience very frustrating and it felt like Ferrari just wasn't giving the dealer the support they needed to solve the problem. When I called Ferrari CS that just ended up back at SLC Ferrari as "The customer is upset at you," which really wasn't what I was trying to convey. But, as you succinctly put it, "To have an $800,000.00 car sit for 35+ days, and counting, in service is simply inexcusable."

    In the end, when I got the car back I with everything resolved it was quite exciting (for anyone curious, they ended up shielding various components that were causing signal interference with the TPMS sensor and, it turned out, the car alarm). The SF90 is absolutely in the top three of any car I've ever owned and I'm willing to put up with a lot to keep keep enjoying it.

    A couple of days before picking up the SF90 I also went and tested the SLC Lambo Revuelto. I think your impressions are spot on.

    Performance: In terms of raw speed (here in Utah) and acceleration the winner is absolutely the SF90. That NA engine just has too much of a disadvantage.

    Handling: I don't know if your SF90 has the Assetto Fiorano package, but I did appreciate the different suspension modes in the Reveulto, as the AS ride is fairly stiff. However, that stiffness is also what helps makes the SF90 so adept in its handling. I always feel like there is a giant vacuum pulling the car toward the ground.

    Looks: Absolutely subjective, as other have said. I love the elegance of the SF90. It's really the first Ferrari that ever made me go "Oh! Pretty." The Reveulto also looks fantastic to me. The comparison almost feels like apples to oranges but if I had to pick one I'd go with the Revuelto simply because of the aggressive styling and road presence.

    Sound: Revuelto. 100%.

    Interior: I agree that the Revuelto is better, but I'm slightly torn. I'm one of those weirdos who loves the touch buttons; the SF90 always makes me feel like I'm in a spaceship.

    It sounds like our Revueltos will be rolling in around the same time! My guess it that we've met at some point, and I'm sure we'll meet again
     
  14. 808 Guy

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    Hey TiFuze,


    I’m not sure that we have formally met but, I absolutely know of you from the service crew at Lamborghini. In fact, they mentioned your SF90 issue to me when they found out that my SF90 was in service at SLC Ferrari. Glad you got your car back. Enjoy!!!


    I completely agree with your assessments of the Revuelto:

    - I do have the Assetto Fiorano package on my SF90 and, although it is stiff, I wouldn’t change it. Besides the fact that the rear carbon spoiler looks amazing with AF Package, I love the precision and performance of the car with the titanium springs. It really is spectacular. With that being said, I also enjoy that the Revuelto has the ability to change the suspension settings on the fly. Much like the “bumpy road” setting in my past Ferrari’s, it will be a welcome addition on these crappy Utah roads.

    - I also agree with your “spaceship” feel of the SF90 and I love it! Technology is constantly advancing, and the current design of the cabin is definitely the wave of the future. Aside from a few buttons on the steering wheel that I would opt to have repositioned (I accidently hit crap when using the blinkers), the design is very elegant, sleek, and futuristic looking.


    What color Revuelto did you order?
     
  15. TiFuze

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    Agreed- I don't think we've formally met. Sometimes Utah's car community feels small and tight knit, but I'm often surprised how many people with similar cars are out here that I have never crossed paths with.

    On my SF I do hit the cruise control button and the voice button by mistake a fair amount

    I picked Grigio Acheso (to match my Huracan and I have a thing for grey). I dig the matte finishes (sounds like you do as well) - seems to bring out the lines.
     
  16. 808 Guy

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    Great color choice! The Revuelto has the lines of a fighter jet so the utilitarian colors of Battleship Grey (Grigio Acheso) and Army Green (Verde Turbine) look awesome on the car!

    Matte Grigio Acheso was my original "first choice." I then purchased a Urus in the Matte Verde Turbine and that changed my decision. Much like you, I think matching colors in the same garage looks amazing. So the Urus and Revuelto will be in Matte Verde Turbine.
     
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  17. ForeverNA

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    I used to think that as well regarding Revuelto. But once I saw it in person, I was blown away. All in the intakes that were placed harmoniously with the overall flow of the design. The engine bay with the way the exhaust are. I was just floored and asked for allocation already. Would be my third in 3 years. And of course we can't be remiss with the upcoming Huracan replacement with twin turbo V8 that has 10k RPM and hybrid system.
     
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  18. Fortis

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    I saw the Temerario at the factory and LOVED the design very sleek with subtle retro vibes also it has similar front driving lights and rear taillights with my Essenza and I am so happy to have them on a street car, that 10K RPM motor will be something else, clean sheet in house built, the engineers were very proud of the team's work, it was very good to see their enthusiasm, good time to be alive and a car enthusiast.

    I also have a Revuelto coming but I am sure I will like the Temerario better, I drove the R at Imola it was absolutely ballistic and to me it felt slightly more planted at speed then the SF90, the SF90 feels more nimble and direct but the R feels more stoic for the lack of a better word, both exciting cars.
     
  19. Jo Sta7

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    Not to be annoying but I’m sure with all the words available one exists better than “stoic” to describe the R at speed lol. At least for its sake I hope.
     
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    English is my second language and I have learned it by reading the dictionary on my own sometimes words don't quite translate from my native tongue, didn't mean to trigger you, use these words in the mean time, the car is very stable, confidence inspiring, sure footed, etc.

    After you drive it if you haven't done so already you could come up with your own adjectives which you can share here.
     
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    Not triggered. Just playing around. And yes those words work well.
     
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    Your English is phenomenal.
     
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  23. ab08

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    Any words on the sound? If, with turbos, this engine delivers an exciting sound, due to 10k RPM, it will be something revolutionary in the automotive industry.

    Congratulations on your Essenza and Revuelto.
     
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    Thank you.
     
  25. Fortis

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    Than you ab08.

    The engineers told me it sounds very good but they might be biased LOL, I didn't hear the Temerario run but I went to Le Mans to test seat in the SC63 LMDh car (similar V8) and they started the car up for me while I was testing the seat.
    They engineer told me I could rev it but being that it was their competition car and seeing all of the displays on the steering wheel, buttons, parked in the pit, with everyone around etc. I did not want to be disrespectful and somehow damage their car and be the guy who ruined Le Mans for them hahaha so all I did was rev it to about 4500 RPM, the engine vibrating through the carbon tub rearranged my fillings I can only imagine it rev at 10k, what a sensation, I would love to have the opportunity to do some endurance racing in that car, I can not wait for the customer cars.

    Granted the SC63 is a full blow track monster the sound was ear piercing and on the track the cars were VERY loud but once again might not be comparable to the Temerario, but when it comes to cars which sound insane nothing beats the Essenza, I am obsessed with the sound of that car, the vibrations, the smells, etc just intoxicating, I actually refuse to wear ear plugs in the Essenza because I love it so much, after one track day in that car my ears still ring two days later but I wouldn't have it any other way LOL.
     

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