SF90 factory warranty (3years) what about the hybrid batteries ???

In the U.S., federal law requires automakers to warranty EV and hybrid batteries for at least eight years or 100,000 miles. California requires a 10-year, 150,000-mile warranty on EV and hybrid batteries.

 

Are we sure Ferrari will be included as well? I just checked with the service department, and the answer is not sure. Does anyone have any answer or confirmation?

 

My understanding is that the Hybrid batteries are warrantied for 8 years in the US.
The lithium batteries are 3-4 years at most on a depreciating scale.

 

Thanks! 8 years ... Do you happen to know how many miles?

 

Currently there is NO Federal EV(or Hybrid) Battery Warranty

NONE

All you have for the SF90 is the 3-year factory warranty (outside the LaF, see below)

It is true several EV(Hybrid) manufacturers have their own battery warranty with various rules, etc, but, none of it is in response to US Federal requirement to do so.

Evidence:

https://electrek.co/2023/04/12/epa-releases-new-emissions-rule-60-ev-by-2030-saves-us-trillions/

Apr 12 2023
(....)
In addition to these emissions guidelines, the regulations seek to establish a minimum warranty period for EV batteries of at least eight years and 80,000 miles and to require onboard battery health monitors. They will also reduce the gap between passenger car and “light truck” (SUV/pickup) emissions requirements, which could reduce some incentive that automakers currently have to build bigger and deadlier SUVs.
(....)

See page 51-52 here:
https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2023-04/lmdv-multi-pollutant-emissions-nprm-redline-memo-2023-04.pdf

From April 7 2023:

Proposal starting Model Year 2027:

41. Add § 86.1815 to read as follows:
(....)
(e) Batteries installed in light-duty program vehicles must meet a Minimum Performance
Requirement such that measured usable battery energy is at least 80 percent of the vehicle’s
certified usable battery energy after 5 years or 62,000 miles, and at least 70 percent of certified
usable battery energy at 8 years or 100,000 miles.
(...) along with a lot of other details, see the PDF above for more ...


Why do you think Ferrari released a special extended warranty for the LaFerrari:

Sept 29 2021: (only 3-4 years out of production at that point)

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate/articles/laferrari-power-ferrari-expands-its-range-of-after-sales-services-corp

...Owners of LaFerrari or LaFerrari Aperta who take advantage of the LaFerrari Power service will benefit from the extension of the car's factory warranty, which includes, among other things, the HY-KERS system and high-voltage battery. This is the first time that Maranello has offered its clients this kind of extended warranty for one of its limited-series models, testifying to the quality and reliability of its cars.

BTW, the SF90 Hybrid Battery cost is about $23,000 not including labor, the electric motors, $17,000 each, Inverter, $8000, etc...not nearly as expensive as the LaFerrari

 

Um, it's federal mandate.

If Ferrari is selling cars, or heck, just doing business in the US of A, it applies to all Ferrari HEV

 

Sorry, you're just wrong.

It is federal mandate (not law) that EV batteries are covered 8/100k

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/ev-battery-warranty

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/what-does-an-ev-warranty-cover.html#:~:text=Hybrid and electric vehicle battery,to offer you extra protection.

 

I think this is too important to get clarified as there are tons of 2021 SF90 being sold at the end of warranty.

 

I know you think I am wrong, but, I am not.
I have just written an email to the authors of those 2 articles you linked asking them (ones labels it a law, the other, a mandate) for a link to a Federal gov't website that provides full details of what they write.

I think there is a great deal of confusion on this subject because the "press" is "parroting" the same / similar "details" of which none provide a link or anything that actually identifies the "law/mandate/regulation/etc".

Above, I linked (EPA PDF) the only Federal level description that matches this idea and it is simply a proposal.

Further, when you understand how EPA/NHTSA/DOT "regulations" working they go through a long period of proposal, review and then, once approved, the "rollout' of the regulation is "phased in" over several years to give Automobile manufacturers time to prepare and comply. There is never a 'drop out of the sky' regulation placed upon automotive (the EU does this as well), especially one that is retroactive (never occurs).

And, I think there is some 'conflation' with the existing EPA regulation for "emissions control" (i.e. catalytic converters, etc) and some "well meaning but completely wrong" media that places a fully non-existent battery warranty on to the entire fleet.

I will let you know details the authors provide.

 

@ipsedixit

OK, I will 'cut to the chase' as to what I have found that verifies there is no such thing as a Federal Law/Rule/Regulation/Mandate/etc for EV/Hybrid batteries (yes, there eventually will be one, but not yet).

First, here is the existing "emissions" law that the EPA seeks to revise:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/40/85.2103

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OK, this is section 85.2103

now, see this from April 2023 EPA PROPOSAL to change this existing regulation:
https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2023-04/lmdv-multi-pollutant-emissions-nprm-redline-memo-2023-04.pdf
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See that, the EPA is seeking a Rule Change to its current regulation 85.2103 (that means 85.2103 has not yet been changed, the existing and current 85.2103 shown above and that was created in 1980).

And, section 40 CFR 86.1815 (as shown page 51 in PDF above) proposes to change existing regulation to include EV battery and all kinds of requirements that require changes to what the customer can access regarding battery state of health, etc...

This is only an EPA proposal and if approved will first affect Model Year 2027 production and it will be phased in, not "all at once".

Therefore, ALL SF90(296/LaF) have NO government regulation requiring any standard warranty for the EV (high-voltage) battery.

You are 'on your own' outside the 3-year factory warranty period (other than the LaF if you buy the factory special warranty linked above in a prior message I wrote).

 

Get a quote on extended warranty - if it's a concern.
The costs for battery etc is not that bad - which is surprising.

 

My Spyder was finished in November and still waiting on it, so I asked my Dealer what is the warranty on the batteries he said 7 yrs! When car arrives I’m going to ask in writing

 

7 yrs/70,000 miles.
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Thanks for confirming!

 

Which booklet is that?
Which Ferrari is that for? 296? SF90?
And what model year is that booklet?

It is curious that is not found anywhere on Ferrari's website or anywhere else...and it does include a giant exception clause.

 

If there’s a question about a SF90’s hybrid battery warranty, the logical place to check is the SF90 Warranty and Service Book that comes with the car, under the “Hybrid System Warranty” section.

 

Indeed it is!
But, is that for all model years?
Great find!

 

Why wouldn't it be? What's an example of warranty coverage on a Ferrari model that's year specific?

 

The 7 year free maintenance program was introduced in 2012, if you had a 2011 model, you could buy it, but you did not get it...

https://www.boardwalkferrari.com/7-year-maintenance.htm

So, I guess your SF90 warranty book is not for a 2021 model but a later model...so, if someone has a 2021 warranty booklet, is the battery coverage included? Just to help close the loop on this topic.

 

What you’re saying makes zero sense. Of course the 2021 models have the same warranty.

You’re just engaging in pure fearmongering at this point.

 

I gave you a direct example of a new warranty program (7 year maintenance) that excluded earlier versions of the same model, yet somehow that was not sufficient proof that this is something can and has occurred?

This is the same warranty that exclusively appears only in the warranty booklet, no where else anywhere is this warranty documented, mentioned, nothing, zip, so, it could be been added after production started, or not...apparently no way to know without examining a MY2021 warranty booklet.

I think you would agree that anyone considering purchase of a pre-owned SF90 is advised to review that specific car's warranty booklet for its EV battery/system warranty.

 

You provided an example that has absolutely no relevance to this topic. You’ve been wrong with pretty much everything you’ve posted on this forum the last couple of days in what seems to be some odd attempt to discredit the SF90, and people are sincerely trying to be polite to you, but just stop already.

The SF and 296 hybrid batteries are covered under a manufacturer’s warranty of 7 years or 70,000 miles, regardless of the model year. The end.

 

Well, good or bad, it led you to posting a picture of the warranty booklet, thank you for that!

 

My pleasure.