sources are in this forum section across different threads and images showing SF90s devoid of all battery hybrid components, etc I have not collected those sources but they can be found, for example: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/148729973/ https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/bricked-sf90.644012/
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All, manufacturers test their rivals' products. A few months ago Lamborghini was testing an SF90 Stradale: Why won't it last long? Also, the Plaid won't destroy it, they are pretty much equal on a straight line (actually the Ferrari will pull away at very high speeds) and of course around a circuit there is no comparison. https://zeperfs.com/en/duel7937-9231.htm That's amusing, given how much quicker the SF90 is. It seems your dislike for the whole hybrid concept is clouding your judgement. It will be interesting to read what your take on the new hybrid Lambos will be...
Faster in a straight line, that's for sure! on the other hand, at the first heavy braking before the rope, you feel all the inertia and the weight which comes crashing against the seat... The laws of physics are like this! The conclusions come from exchanges a posteriori with my buddy, who was most often behind the wheel and who incidentally is a professional driver (WEC, Le Mans AF Corse...), which allows me to have fairly objective and fairly comprehensive feedback. For the future hybrid Lambo, I have no opinion, the concept does not interest me, just like the Artura and others...
Like I wrote down on Lamborghinichat, try MP4S for STO. So much more comfort for b roads. I am happy that I sold my 3300km SF90 AF yesterday and 296 is comming next week. So my little trio of RWD cars collection will be complete next week gt3 sto 296 Just say no to front motor lol Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Yes of course, I was only making a comment about the potential lack of electric motors to the mule and how that might be referenced to the STO they were testing.
On Tsoubelis's post (#153) an electrical warning sign is visible on the door, so I guess the electric motors are included, as it was only logical.
Where does this information come from (that Ferrari has bought back SF 90s)? Is there a link to a story?
Too many SF90 are for sale now so I am happy I sold mine fast with good price. The reason I sold mine despite I loved is that there is no incentive of having the car in the garage. Currently Ferrari awarding system counts how many cars are in the garage. The recent ones. But I know recent VIP to TOP cases indicate you need at least 6-7 cars in the garage at any point of time. I usualy have 3-4 cars. So having SF90 has no point for me to climb up. Also 296 is comming and I know how much I will drive that car and let SF90 sit forever, I sold it. I drive 812 comp and 812 gts and tdf maybe once every 2 monthes… I drive sto and gt3 every week. SF90 every 2 weeks. I don’t have much time to drive cars anyway and I too seriously wanted to be a TOP client but I don’t see it happening so I gave up. Also, SF90 is not for the track when one wants to turn off nannies. Font traction control is always on. It kills the fun. Too heavy is another thing. Good memories though. SF90 AF is a very very strong sports car for the road. Thrilling ride for sure. That other worldy front turn in. A good technology showcase I would never dreamed Ferrari could achieve with 1st attempt. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I read those threads. There is one case where Ferrari bought back a car. But your posts make it seem like there are many. There are also several posts about people having issues with their car. But none of them say Ferrari bought back the car. Why are you trying to make it seem like Ferrari is buying back many SF 90s? Your exact words are "notable number of SF90s develop critical failures that end up with Ferrari buying them back". But we only have information that one car has been bought back.
That link and its details correlated with what I knew from before as I have details various Ferrari service departments that several SF90s had failures that could not be repaired, I have no link to any story about that. The point is, in addition to the "usual reasons", a number of SF90s have had critical failures that may be (likely) contributing to the VAST number (25% of total delivered in USA and EU) of SF90s currently for sale. 25% of the overall delivered being contemporaneously for sale is unheard of for any Ferrari model, ever... Of note, Ferrari seems to be doing much better with hybrid tech (SF90) than McLaren, however, lots of room for improvement. And now their electric motor vendor (YASA) is owned by MB (direct competitor, at least in F1), what will Ferrari do, stay with that vendor or...
I gave up on forums, right at their inception you used to get good info but now all you get is people with agendas SMH.
Agenda's are facts of life. Forums are good to get the latest info and its up to the individual to decide what they want to take in.
Makes sense and thanks. As much as I tried to like the SF90 I didn't. Too heavy, too big, too much digital sh*t in the car and Ferrari's first attempt which always bothered me. 296 on the other hand was instant appeal. SF90VS has even less appeal when 296VS which will be available at some point in the future. Also too many other options coming from Lambo and McLaren. Personally I like lightweight engineered cars (hence STO, 765LT, 4RS etc etc) rather than a car which essentially is engineered (loose term) to a large HP number.
I am not interested in misinformation and people talking without first hand knowledge chasing clout or trying to stay relevant, I am bored with this format.
Totaly agree. Car should be naturaly balanced from the drawingboard. Put best componants together and then tweak the software and setting to make the driver feel valanced is now a days norm. I utterly hate this. You know instantly by turning off the nannies. I hoped SF90 would be a different story from other tweaked cars but sadly it was one of them, non naturaly balanced one. So, some part of me loved the artificial balanced feel, some part of me hated the car for it. In conclusion, one can at some point have the car for what it offers but I doubt it will be a keeper for guys like me. And I feared if this is the way Ferrari is heading until I drove 296. Ferrari still makes drivers car with natural valance! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Which are the "various Ferrari service departments"? There's around 80 SF90s for sale in the US now. Around 70% of those cars have 650 miles or less on them. That tells me that people bought them to flip them and now they are doing that as their six month hold periods have expired. So, once these flipper cars have found homes, we should see a regular market of around 25 SF 90s for sale (5% of total deliveries), which seems pretty normal for any Ferrari.
