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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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  2. GTE

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    #52 GTE, Mar 23, 2010
    Audi boss dr Wolfgang Ullrich perhaps?
     
  3. GTE

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    #53 GTE, Mar 23, 2010
    I love the livery of the Extreme Speed cars. I already asked Ari to hook me up with a 1/43 set.

    I watched the entire race on MotorsTV. Such a blast. Amazing drive by all Risi racers. Bad luck for Flying Lizzard and the Corvettes... well. I'll bet Audi has some mixed feelings about seeing both Peugeots run the entire 12 hours like clockwork. Le Mans is going to be a cracker this year.
     
  4. jknight

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    #54 jknight, Mar 23, 2010
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    Your first photo is Dr. Ullrich - head of Audi Sport - I had read where someone saw him there in a black firesuit. You probably saw him lurking around the Peugeot pit area also. He should have worn a suite without the Audi logo on the front!

    Great photo - please post more. Sorry but I am not a fan at all of the black patron cars, to me they look like something you see on some of the weird Speed TV programs. To me that green mess detracts from the quality of the car, Risi on the other hand.......red is a racing Ferrari. The only good looking black Ferrari race car was Jesse James many years back at the Canadian F1 race. It will be interesting to see if this new Ferrari team follows in the footsteps of Tafel (especially after the flambe and engine replacement$$). The Tafel Ferraris were really cool looking as was the Petersen White Lightning one.

    Audi could have been there with a modified car. Plain and simple they don't want to be defeated (and besides I was glad they weren't there otherwise we wouldn't have had the use of their suite!) that's how Speed made it sound as did one of the Sebring newspapers. I'm an Audi fan but Peugeot has their act together after their issues from the past several years and I think they'll take the 24h again - they are VERY fast, reliable and have resolved their pit stop issues. Can't wait to see them run again hopefully at Paul Ricard in a few weeks or definitely at Spa. That will be an interesting race.

    Thanks Andreas
     
  5. GTE

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    #55 GTE, Mar 23, 2010
    Hey Carol, what Europe races (no F1) will you attend? We should try again to hook up.
     
  6. tifosi12

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    #56 tifosi12, Mar 23, 2010
    Speaking of:

    I bought every US/local newspaper at the airport on Sunday, but guess what: Not a single mention of the race!

    I normally do the same thing for GPs in Europe and get a nice overview of what all the different European countries thought about the race. Yet here, arguably one of the most important/historic/prestigious races in the US, but nothing but NCAA, baseball and NASCRAP. Ridiculous.
     
  7. jknight

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    #57 jknight, Mar 23, 2010
    Paul Ricard, Monaco Historics, Spa, LeMans, (Hockenheim F1), Budapest, Silverstone - you going to be at any of those?? let's try again !!!

    Carol
     
  8. the_stig

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    #58 the_stig, Mar 23, 2010
    You've only got to spend 5 minutes on sebringfans.com to realize that, while many of them may be knowledgeable fans, this race is mostly a drinking binge with some noisy cars in the background.
    The focus (on that site) on alcohol consumption is really kind of depressing. I'm kind of amazed (and disappointed) that track management doesn't do anything to try and go a bit more upmarket.
    If I wanted to hang with drunken louts I'd go to a British premier league game.
     
  9. jknight

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    #59 jknight, Mar 23, 2010
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    BINGO - I wish it was any other weekend than Spring Break! But having it when they do, it certainly makes the attendance count higher. We walked down and around Turn 10 again and it's the same stuff. There's two sites that follow the racing - they have a board where they display lap times, etc and Radio LeMans in the background. Most of the traffic is pick-ups, etc. full of drinking fans. It's a constant stream of moving traffic over one of the bridges while the race is taking place. I really think that if you ask some of them what's taking place, they don't have a clue. Actually I find all the piles of beer cans/bottles rather depressing and I rather doubt those who contribute to it even bother to clean up after themselves. If you stay at the Four Points hotel, your balcony has a nice view of piles of beer cans - guess it's not a bad view for the nose-bleed prices for rooms. The Patron area where you can get a margarita is loaded with cops, heck, there's even a very large Police trailer on the grounds proudly displaying the fact that it was acquired with drug money.

    I agree with you about track management and going a bit more upscale for this race. Oh well.....and yes there's folks drinking at the 24h but the groups that wander about have "class" - especially the Spanish Galleon with pirates that was crusing around several years ago...then the group from NL with their orange hair....then the group of guys dressed like women with a bug sprayer full of wine.....classy and funny !!! but no trash, etc.

    I don't think it will ever change....will I go back to Turn 10 next year....yes, but not for the crazies but from a racing standpoint the turn and it's exit is quite interesting when there's a bunch of cars there!!

    Carol


    MARNIX YOUR PM MAIL BOX IS FULL !!!!! I tried to send you a message...
     
  10. b-mak

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    #60 b-mak, Mar 23, 2010
    That's funny.
     
  11. the_stig

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    #61 the_stig, Mar 23, 2010
    I've spoken to Jesse McClelland (director of operations) personally about this and he just didn't get it at all which floored me. Couldn't grasp the concept that some people feel like they need to be protected from the kinds of fans they seem to be encouraging. Didn't see the need for any family-friendly areas. Amazing.
    I know people in Turn 10 - but I've no desire to join them in their debauchery.
     
  12. GTE

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    #62 GTE, Mar 24, 2010
    Carol,

    Spa seems to be a definate for me. Both the 1000 KM as the 24 hours. Le Mans is a maybe, but I am doing my best to make it work.

    My PM box indeed seems to be full. I need to renew my subscription. I will contact you this evening through PM.

    Thanks!
     
  13. Roots Mon

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    #63 Roots Mon, Mar 24, 2010
    Sebring and it's fans.

    Tradition that Sebring is the third weekend of March each
    year, that will never change nor should it.

    The facilities other than perhaps the new front office and
    ill-conceived pit complex look abismal and get worse each
    year. Try negotiating the length of the circuit in the photo
    shuttle, it's like driving on the moon.

    Likewise, the infield access roads have completely deteriorated
    and grassy areas are little more than dust pits. One walkabout
    trip around the circuit and you come back literally covered
    head to toe with black dust. This year it seemed particularly
    worse, thankfully it wasn't windy on Saturday as that magnifies
    the dust problems ten fold.

    Had the Panoz Group kept on the beautfication schedule
    that Andy Evans had laid out, it's doubtful this would have
    been the case as it was Evans who saw the value in
    bringing the facility up to date and within a year (1997)
    the trackbreally started to look dressed up.

    A good place to start would be to repave the infield
    access roads and photo shuttle route. Then grate off
    the rough runoff areas and infield and plant real grass
    so the place isn't such a dust bowl.

    This would have a two-fold effect, it would be more user
    friendly and attending fans (whether they're there to party
    or watch the race) would treat the place with more respect
    thus bring in this demographic we hear so much about
    all the time.

    One thing noticed in the infield this year was the lack
    of PA speakers or diamond vision screens so fans could
    keep up with what is happening on the track. In 1999
    Panoz brought in mobile diamond vision/scoreboard screens
    and the fans were engaged. This year, without this information,
    uneducated fans couldn't tell the difference between a Peugeot
    and a Porsche.

    While not having seen officially announced crowd figures,
    the PA in the paddock announced this year's crowd to be
    bigger than 2009, really? In the infield which is usually
    packed in like sardines with campers, there were vast wide
    open areas where some guys were playing football and
    another area where there were what must have been 15
    or so brand new igloo shaped pop-up tents all lined up
    in neat rows none of which looked like they were being
    used, this was rather odd.

    Each year Sebring announces "record crowds" but the reality
    is their figures are greatly inflated and since many of the
    general admission tickets are sponsor comps, they really have
    no idea how many peope are really there; the final figure
    is an estimate rolled over each day from Wednesday to
    Saturday.

    Back in 2000 or 2001, a guy actually did a detailed study
    on Sebring attendance figures published on the net. This
    was based on the amount of acereage, factoring out square
    feet reduced by the circuit, run-off areas, access roads, etc
    and then the amount of square feet the sea of RV's and
    cars cover. This study also included how many people the
    facility is permitted to hold by the City of Sebring Fire
    Marshall's office and (oops) it's not quite 200,000!

    Since the Alec Ullmann days, traditions such as the date
    and fudging attenance figures have gone on as these figures
    are how the track justify their jacked advertising rates.

    If SIR really wanted to, they'd invest in upgrading the
    crumbling facilities but since, for the most part, the track
    is run by local's who's salaries are based on income vs.
    outgo, this isn't likely to happen any time soon.

    RM
     
  14. the_stig

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    #64 the_stig, Mar 24, 2010
    Precisely why I'll continue to spend my money at Lime Rock Park, Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, NJMP and LeMans among others.
    I wouldn't dream of taking the family to Sebring but they like the other tracks just fine. Loser = SIR.
     
  15. Roots Mon

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    #65 Roots Mon, Mar 25, 2010
    Unfortunately, SIR is mired in small town thinking so
    any out of the box ideas are swiftly quashed.

    To point out, when Panoz took over the SIR lease, not
    one person in the front office there had EVER been to
    another track (IE: Not Homestead, not Indianapolis,
    not Laguna Seca, not Road Atlanta, not Mosport, not
    even closest rival Daytona much less any place overseas)
    to see how things are done elsewhere.

    In an interesting move to shake things up a bit, Panoz
    played musical chairs with his track managers at his tracks
    (Sebring, Road Atlanta and Mosport) for a year and insisted
    that each of visit other tracks to get some new ideas.

    Did it work? Well, upon visiting SIR offices the interesting
    visual effect is that the office walls are not adorned with
    historical racing artifacts, but rather paintings depicting
    hunting and fishing scenes along with matching trophies.

    Each year, Sebring parking and ticket prices go up but
    less seems offered. Justification for raising parking spots
    opposite the pits to $550+ is that is what campers are
    charged at Daytona. The difference at Daytona being they
    have electric and water hook ups in a nice grass field whereas
    at Sebring you get a nice slab of WWII vintage concrete
    and nothing else.

    Most all other major international race tracks are virtual
    country clubs compaired to Sebring and if they wish to
    keep their lofty standing as a major endurance race of
    international importance (which they've lost three times
    previously) these issues had better be addressed.

    Andy Evans had it right. Spruce up the place, make it
    a place people want to come to enjoy and not just
    tolerate. Panoz has gone on 11+ years on Evans' ideas
    and they seem to be right back to mid-90s thinking.

    RM
     
  16. BLT2DRIVE

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    #66 BLT2DRIVE, Mar 25, 2010
    Maybe the $120,000 a year includes income from the trailer park? Just a thought.....
     
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    #67 BLT2DRIVE, Mar 25, 2010
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    There was a surprise guest at a little impromtu get together yesterday..... Tony's good friend and driving coach (Mark Gene) stopped by enroute from Bahrain to home, by way of LA to Australia....Way cool suprise!!
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  18. tifosi12

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    #68 tifosi12, Mar 25, 2010
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    Finally got a chance to sort out my pics, here a few:
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    Some more:
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    #71 yzee, Mar 25, 2010
    Great pics Andreas! Nice on the babes, and you got Sebring off your list. You have to go there once. :D
     
  22. Fast_ian

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    #72 Fast_ian, Mar 25, 2010
    +1 :)

    Thanks for sharing,

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  23. jknight

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    #73 jknight, Mar 26, 2010
    Andreas - awesome photos of Jaime with his girlfriend from Rome and what a great one of Guiseppe (with your permission, I'll be glad to email it to him or to Joe). I was hoping you'd get one of the #2 Silk Cut Jag - I really need that car in 1:34 so put alongside my #17 Shell Porsche....ahhh lm24H 1988.

    thanks again and good to see you!

    Carol
     
  24. PCA Hack

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    #74 PCA Hack, Mar 26, 2010
    Excellent pictures.

    The most sought after picture of Sebring 2010 is of the Jaguar with the hood actually closed!

    Its nothing short of mind-bending how Jaguar could have entrusted a new factory program to Paul Gentilozzi - what a sad & embarrassing state of affairs (if it is a legit works program). I think they need to look back 20 years and remember how it should be done.
     
  25. tifosi12

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    #75 tifosi12, Mar 26, 2010
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    Thanks, yes that was the intent. After having been there I got now Petit Le Mans on that list, or as the announcers in Sebring called it: "Patty Lemon."

    You certainly have my permission, but it might be better if I email you the pic in full resolution. One shot of him along with the article will also be published in the "Pilota" magazine of the Ferrari Owners Club. I could send you/him a copy of that mag once it is printed.

    I was thrilled to see Silk Cut in the metal.

    Great seeing you two as well. Again. Now that I came to Sebring, you must meet me in Istanbul. Hahaha. You can have an entire grand stand just for you. ;)

    Here is that rare shot:
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