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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Interesting comment by MS:

    He is taking the blame for the results of THIS year on him:

    http://www.speedweek.ch/Formel1/news/29150/Schumi-Es-lag-an-mir.html

    MB management said, that they failed to give him a competitive car to which MS replied, that wasn't the problem:

    «Die Tatsache, dass die Dinge sich nicht so entwickelt haben wie erwartet, muss man mir zuschreiben, nicht dem Team. Als Renfahrer sind wir unabhängig vom Auto.»

    Translation:
    The fact that things didn't go the way we expected them, cannot be attributed to the team but to me. As a racing driver we are independant from the car.
     
  2. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    It's that sort of "egotism" that has made him great.
     
  3. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    +1

    AFAIK, he never, not once, throughout his career tried to pass blame. He succeeded as part of a team and failed as part of a team. Never bad mouthed anyone.

    Truly, the GOAT. Enjoy your retirement, Michael. You've earned it.

    Cheers,
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  4. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    That's a bit a one eyed view. After all this guy has often not come forward and did not accept guilt/fault even when proven wrong, eg parking his car in Rascasse during qualifying.

    Doing that and denying it despite telemetry data to the contrary is not the hallmark of a gentleman driver
     
  5. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I never said "gentleman" - I don't think there's such a thing at this level any longer. You've gotta be somewhat selfish and self centered to succeed.

    Has he made mistakes? Sure. Some of 'em I even suspect he regrets.

    Doesn't change his status as the GOAT IMO.

    Cheers,
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  6. TifosiUSA

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    +1000
     
  7. VIZSLA

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    Asked no quarter and gave none.
    He played by his own rules and won.
     
  8. Aircon

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    lol...cliche, anyone?
     
  9. VIZSLA

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    Sometimes there's a lot of truth from the old saws.
    Surely you're a shining example.
    ;)
     
  10. Aircon

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    Well, I'm a shining example of something. Not sure that's it, though.
     
  11. barbazza

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    +1

    Here's something I think you'll find amusing, written by one J. Clarkson back in 2006 when Michael retired the first time...



    "Even though Fernando Alonso, the mono-browed young fish-nicker, did not acquit himself well this year(2006), endlessly complaining about how the team wasn’t treating him properly and how the stewards were fixing races in Michael Schumacher’s favour, I did feel rather sorry for him as the grand prix circus reached its ear-splitting climax in Brazil.

    First of all, he was beaten in the race by Felipe Massa, who behaved as though he’d been wired up to the national grid. And because he was a Brazilian, in Brazil, the Brazilian television director decided that the fish-nicker should be largely ignored.

    To make matters worse, this had been Michael Schumacher’s final race before he headed off to Switzerland with nothing but his dogs and his chin for company. And that’s all anyone was talking about. Not Fernando’s second world championship, but what life might be like in F1 without the Hun.

    Boring, I reckon, though not everyone agrees.

    Martin Brundle, the F1 commentator, said recently that he struggles to think of any great Schumacher overtaking moves. Really? Well what about that last race, when he went from last place to fourth? What about the way he drove so aggressively he frightened Giancarlo Fisichella not just out of his way but clean off the track?

    And what about the time at Silverstone when he was stuck behind Damon Hill? For lap after lap, on the approach to one particular corner he drove on the wrong side of the track, cleaning away all the dust and the marbles, so that when he finally made his move he had all the grip in the world. (This was his level of technical brilliance!)


    That was the great thing about Schumacher’s racing — he used intelligence. Ross Brawn, his technical director at Ferrari, said that even when he was on a hot lap, he could converse about clouds on the back side of the circuit and whether they might bring rain, whereas other drivers could only ever grunt.

    Then you had the time when he finished second despite being stuck for half the race in fifth gear, and the Spanish Grand Prix in 1996 when, in torrential rain, he lapped almost the entire field. Sometimes he must have thought that he was the only human in a field made up entirely of incompetent playboy blind people.

    Ah yes, say the detractors, but what about the times when Schumacher has been most unsportsmanlike? Stirling Moss says the German’s career will always be blighted by the way he parked his car on the circuit at this year's(2006) Monaco Grand Prix.

    I’m sorry. Am I hearing this straight? Because I fail to see the difference between this and the sledging that goes on in cricket, or the punching in a rugby scrum.

    The mere fact that Michael actually thought to park his car, and therefore bring out the yellow flags and thus prevent anyone from qualifying faster than him, shows yet again that he’s more intelligent than anyone else out there.

    When I first met him, way back in the days when he had a mullet and he was racing for Benetton, he was a shocker. Ford, his employer at the time, had asked him to road test a Mustang for Top Gear, so he did, coming out of the pit garage at Silverstone, getting into the car, and refusing to put a microphone on. The reason for this became clear shortly afterwards, since he also refused to speak.

    But then many years later, while making a show called Speed, we contacted Schumacher to ask for written permission to show some of his so-called unsportsmanlike moves over the years, and he agreed. He had mellowed.

    Sort of. Because I will never forget his final race in Brazil, and that extraordinary charge from last to fourth place. Can anyone think of any other driver out there now who would have the skill and the aggression, and the determination, to do that? I can’t.

    Losing Michael from Formula One is not like losing your arm or leg. It’s like losing your torso. It’s like removing America from the world map and hoping that somehow Spain can fill the void.

    It’s another reason why I feel sorry for Fernando. Not only was he largely ignored as he won his second championship, but he had to go home knowing that next year the best Formula One driver in the world will be sitting at home in Switzerland."

    -Jeremy Clarkson
     
  12. Remy Zero

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    ^LoL brilliant!
     
  13. Bas

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    Fantastic. Got to love the part when he layers the track with rubber to pass damon. People who started watching after 2006 may have thought what this all time great was called an all time great after his stint at Mercedes; but in his prime I sincerely doubt anyone could have beaten him, from any era.
     
  14. Bas

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    You're right. He should take note of Alonso.
     
  15. TifosiUSA

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    I'm usually not a JC fan at all but that was awesome barbazza.
     
  16. Fast_ian

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    Awesome! Thanks for that.

    I am a JC fan - Some of his stuff in the Telegraph (?) is way too funny.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  17. Far Out

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    So awesome. I miss Schumi. The old Schumi. :(
     
  18. barbazza

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    :eek: Not a JC fan??? I'm putting you on ignore...

    ;)
     
  19. TifosiUSA

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    Nope!

    Guy is great for entertainment but when it comes to actually reviewing cars he's pretty lackluster.

    For instance at least once per Top Gear episode he'll purposely throw a car into a huge, smoky powerslide and then complain about how it's "trying to kill him." I just want to say Jeremy, every car from the 1998 Trans Am I drove in high school to a 458 will do the same thing if you drive it like that...:)

    I love his smartass attitude though, he's a riot in the right context.
     
  20. VIZSLA

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    You confuse Top Gear with a show about cars.
    ;)
     
  21. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Then there is always Top Gear USA.


    Oh wait, dunno what that's really about. Tanner Faust I suppose.
     
  22. tervuren

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    I watched my first F1 race from start to finish on TV the year after MS retired.

    Aside from clips online, my first time watching him through a race has been his stint with Mercedes. I think his driving at Spa(One of two GP's I've watched this year) was excellent. His battle with Kimi was great.
     
  23. VIZSLA

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    Top Gear without the humor?
     
  24. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Indeed.

    And with Pontiac GTO instead of 288 GTO
     
  25. VIZSLA

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    To be fair I've never watched.
    Sounds like I'm not missing much.
     

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