SCG 003 and SCG 003C (formerly known as "P 33")

Thats the ultimate man-cave! Which engine is that inside on that engine test bed?

Thank you Jim for this another adventure.IMO i do understand the point of keep sections segregated but that is for the moderators to decide.It eitherways makes no difference anyway,and frankly like someone mentioned where else can we find such detailed behind-the-scenes insight into the designing of a supercar.And that too a car which everyone has been been hoping for,small,lightweight,powerful,stiff chassis and responsive.Excellent!

Jim,Do keep this thread regularly updated and with as much technical details/process that you can.Thanks!

I apologise if you have already mentioned it,but have you decided on an engine or its configuration?V6,V8,flat,inline?Will it be a totally bespoke engine or will you be basing it from an existing block?

 

Napolis I wish you luck with new project. We dont have much people in world that are willing to spent serious money on car that will be one off.

I suspected that you will go after Alfa Romeo styling/naming, since I assume that Ferrari is not option for you anymore. I still think that you should pick some Ferrari model from past, since you are clearly big fan. Shape of your company shield is same as Ferrari`s, and you also have "Scuderia" in your company name (Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus).

Also I have some questions related to new car
- Do you plan to make two cars, or one car that can be converted in race car & back to road car?
- Have you thought about KERS? You have some nice experience with P4/5 Competizione.
- Can you tell us who will be responsible for design, American or European studio?

 

Any other specs on the engine? I'm guessing displacement around 3.0L or slightly less? I'm just comparing to a 3.8L Nissan GTR engine that puts out 545 HP in stock trim so I figure it will likely not be as large as that?

I sincerely wish you all the best with this project. I have long been wishing for a manufacturer to go away from the bigger, heavier, more power formula that everyone has been following for the past few years.

Since it is just a one-off car, will it have to meet all the safety regulations such as mandatory airbags, stability control, side-impact protection, etc...? If so, that will be some feat to get it to weigh 1600 lbs! I hope you can do it and maybe other car manufacturers can learn a thing or two from your company and pass along the weight savings to us in a future car that we can buy.

Thanks again for sharing!

 

Cool project Jim, and its good to hear that you are going lightweight with adequate power. I will be even more impressive if you can give it a manual box, unassisted steering and a very high revving NA engine.

You mentioned earlier in the thread that a link up with F1 turbo tech from 2014 might be on the cards, does that mean you are thinking of going with a 1.6 V6?

 

Visual identity is tricky thing I am sure you know very well how Ferrari shield was created since you (was) very big Ferrari fan. You have great thread here on forum where is described how well formed Ferrari logo & shield is. Also word Scuderia is used in many forms, but in automotive industry its pretty known in form "Scuderia Ferrari" (your company is Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus). Also I would like (if its not secret) where is your company registered (regarding flag colors). Stuttgart & Knights dont have much in common with Ferrari & your logos, but Ferrari visual identity & yours have a lot details in common:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2j6a4c7.jpg

 

Milanno, Milanno, Milanno . . . er, Milano . . .

Scuderia = "stable" in Italiano

Scuderia Ambrosiana
Scuderia Bizzarrini
Scuderia Centro Sud
Scuderia Coloni
Scuderia Enrico Plate
Scuderia Ferrari
Scuderia Filipinetti
Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus
Scuderia Italia
Scuderia La Fortuna
Scuderia Lavaggi
Scuderia Milano
Scuderia Sant'Ambroeus
Scuderia Serenissima
Scuderia Toro Rosso
Scuderia Veloce
Scuderia Volpini
. . .

 

Wax you missed the point. I am very well informed what Scuderia means, why Ferrari is using it & why is horse used as Ferrari logo. There is strong reason why teams call themselves Scuderia "xyz" (Italy). Most known is Scuderia Ferrari. Now try to connect that logic to Napolis company. However I appreciate your effort

There is one nice Latin phrase: Si fueris Romae, Romano vivito more.

 

That alfa tipo 33 and 8c comparison is wild! I thought the 8c looked tiny, here it practically looks like a hummer!

Regarding carbon tubs, the current options are Ferrari LaFerrari (doubtful unless Luca has made a major turnaround), BMW i8 (doubtful), McLaren (is it small enough?), Lamborghini Aventador(too big and Jim doesn't seem to be a lambo fan), Lamborghini sesto elemento, Lamborghini gallardo successor, Audi R8 successor, alfa 4c. Did I leave anyone out?

 

I vote for this

 

Yeah me too, that's the car that inspired my whole post. The overall car looks a little too short though, making for potentially twitchy handling.

Can a car use the tub from this short car and then have a wider track and longer wheelbase or is the tub designed in such a specific way that modifying dimensions just won't work? I would imagine that modifying the platform's dimensions to a certain degree would change how stress is applied to the tub and might redirect it in a way the tub wasn't designed to cope with.

Also, can carbon tubs be modified (new windshield shape, etc) or is that such a huge feat that you might as well engineer a new tub from the ground up?

 

Thanks for the info. I will definitely be following this project. I am looking to start a car company myself eventually, very few cars really get me going these days. It looks like you are going the right direction though.

 

TT V6 you say. Where might said V6 be coming from, I suspect somewhere near Viale Ciro Menotti....... excellent

 

If it is related to a 4c chassis, I'd gladly wager it will be based loosely on the idea of the 4c chassis only, probably borrowing ideas from it and other carbon fiber tub chassis such as that of those Mclaren are making so well these days. Maserati will be making a car from the Alfa but I'm guessing it will be massively different than what Alfa start with as well.


Maserati sounds like they're going to be doing a good bit of this sort of Lee Iacocca chassis sharing stuff as the Maser SUV will be a modified Jeep chassis and I believe the new QP has something to do with the Chrysler 300 chassis, or vice versa.

 

Scuderia Enrico Plate . . . Swiss
Scuderia Filipinetti . . . Swiss
Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus . . . United Statian
Scuderia Veloce . . . Australian
Scuderia Toro Rosso . . . . [Red Bull Junior Team] ownership is Austrian

 

i can tell you what i saw at the geneva car show, and that might give some clues.
- the 'new' lancia thema, is in fact a chrysler 300 (which was a mercedes e class 300 of 15 years ago or so lest we forget)
- if the 'new' fiat freemont is any indication of the company's plans, then the maser suv will definitely be using everything they can off of the jeep cherokee.
- the new qp has nothing to do with the chrysler as far as i could tell since it has the same outside dimensions as the old qp, they just gave it a poor facelift.
- the new qp with 4 wheel drive option runs a tt v6 that puts out 450bhp - which is why it is my favorite candidate for jim's project.
- the alfa 4c is small. my guess is that you cannot squeeze that maser v6 into it as is. think lotus elise size. can the chassis be extended to accommodate it? maybe - only jim would know.

 

the concept brings this to mind
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Great car! That and the 910 are so pure and beautiful yet overlooked.

 

Looking forward to following another awesome endeavor de Napolis.

 

And again, you missed the point

Scuderia Enrico Plate . . . Swiss (owner born in Italy)
Scuderia Filipinetti . . . Swiss (family originally from SanMarino)
Scuderia Toro Rosso . . . . (based in Faenza, Italy)
vs.
Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus . . . United States (unknown connection with Italy)
Scuderia Veloce . . . Australian (unknown connection with Italy)

As you can see there is strong reason why some teams use "Scuderia". And some teams just slapped "Scuderia" in their naming (some of them gone little further & used Ferrari`s visual identity as their own). I am sure they look pretty funny to Italian teams when they see "Scuderia XYZ" from USA/AUS...

 

A.R. 4C carbon tub might do the job when using an Italian made one
Deltawing uses a U.K. Lola tub.
ATR, Dallara and E.R.F. might have some nice small tubs as well

Nice project. Maybe Rob should make a new thread.