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S/N 24961 308 GTS

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  1. opus10583

    opus10583 Formula 3

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    #1 opus10583, Jun 8, 2006
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    I tried the 308 section, and haven't any reponses so I thought I'd try the general forum:

    With the new owner, I'm researching the story/history/provenance of this lovely car, and I wonder if anyone here can add to the wonderfully colorful history of its birth and journey?

    I can be reached via F-Chat PM (I think), or directly through

    [email protected]

    (Pictures by Peter Sweeney, www.forzamotorsports.com, used by permission.)
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  2. BigAl

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    aren't those dino wheels?
     
  3. neilmac

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    They look a bit more Alfa-ish to me. Nice looking car, no doubt.

    Neil
     
  4. johng

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    the wheels look like maserati bora wheels to me.

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  5. BigAl

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    Looked at some Dino pics and they're not Dino wheels, I believe you're right. Either way, def looks diff on a 308.
     
  6. speedy

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    I was looking at this car just yesterday.. I kinda like it and all the special history and love the production pictures!!.. Not a fan of the white top but, hey the factory made it that way.

    Wheels say Dino on the website and here are a couple of recent posts from fchat members of these wheels on Dinos. Dinos had several types of wheels.

    ashsimmonds:
    http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ferraridino1051fa.jpg

    ferrarinyc:
    http://images.marketworks.com/fullView.asp?id=170347646&fc=0&img=http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/69/69101/dino_018.jpg
     
  7. BigAl

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  8. neilmac

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    Yep, that's them all right. Good call, Sarge.
     
  9. pernicev

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    Don't know the car, but having dealt with Peter Sweeny over the years and even buying a car from him last year, I can say that he's as honest as they come.
     
  10. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Mark...

    This is what we know about the car...

    Listed in 1980 FOCUSA roster(s) by John J. Scoblick, Jr., New York, NY/USA. Entered in 1990 National Ferrari Concours, Watkins Glen, NY by Scoblick, East Stroudsburg, PA/USA. Won 1st in Class. Entered in 1991 National Ferrari Concours, Washington, DC by Scoblick. Won 1st in Class.

    Per Pietro Castiglione, Reading, PA car was part of the estate of John J. Scoblick, Jr., Archbald, PA offered at auction 11 Apr 1992. 6,000 miles. High bid $60,000 not including 10% buyer's premium. No sale.

    1992 offered by Alfred C. Griffin, Executor, Scoblick's estate. Red with white interior & white top. Factory one-of-a-kind car with photo scrapbook of car's construction at the factory. Won class at FCA National Concours several years, including 1991. One owner [John Scoblick collection]. (FML 1714).

    Offered 1993 by Karam Automotive, Inc., West Chester, PA/USA. Red with bianco interior. 6,000 miles. Factory documented experimental car. National prize winner many times over. Complete history of correspondece with factory. (FML 1817). Offered again 1994. (FML 1901). Offered again 1995. 7,000 miles. (FML 2017).

    Octagon motorcars.

    1998-2002 Bert Bullers.

    Offered 2001 by Forza, Gaylordsville, CT/USA. Red with white interior. Factory documented special-order car, photo documented building at Ferrari. Only 11,500 miles. New belts & clutch. (FML 2622). Offered again Jan 2002. (FML 2701).

    Owned 2002 by Greg Rossnagel, Staten Island, NY/USA. (Rossnagel telecon Jan 2002).

    Can you fill in any of the history for us, Mark...? Current owner, past ownership, current mileage, service/history records, etcetera...?
     
  11. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    #11 dm_n_stuff, Jun 8, 2006
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    Those are Campagnolos, which were the optional Dino wheels on the flaired arch Dinos (Which along with the Daytona seats was called Chairs and flares)

    They are an inch wider at 7.5 x 14 than the stock Cromadora 6.5" wheel.

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  12. opus10583

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    246 option wheels, for sure; a different choice they work very well in the "flesh".
     
  13. opus10583

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    I haven't met a nicer person, over a Ferrari.
     
  14. opus10583

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  15. opus10583

    opus10583 Formula 3

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    I thank you.

    I've been a sporadic user of F-Chat, but I gather you're associated with Ferrari Market Letter?

    You have educated me about interim owners.

    The new owner has graciously allowed me to be his beloved charge's 'official historian', and will no doubt make his presence known shortly. He purchased it from Peter Sweeney at Forza just two weeks ago, and I think we all have new friends.

    Current indicated mileage is ~21,000.

    The car is immaculate. ...I mean IMMACULATE.

    ...Most cars don't get delivered new in such nice shape.
    Credit to the previous owners and to Peter Sweeney.

    I haven't yet examined the documentation but I understand it is comprehensive, contiguous, and extensive.

    The build photos (and I've talked to the new owner about the importance of scanning them and posting them here) are fantastic.

    It was offered recently by Rossnagel on FerrariAds:
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/ferrariads/showproduct.php?product=1028&sort=1&cat=11&page=1

    My sincere thanks to all who've replied, but especially to "NNO".

    Mark

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  16. opus10583

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    As far I can tell so far, that "experimental" department was an experimental 'accounting' department. (Apologies to "Tifosi 308".)

    ...It's been pointed out to me that the sticker price was < than market, and the first owner was the Ferrari NA corporate attorney.
     
  17. opus10583

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    They're pure art.
     
  18. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Always glad to help and even more grateful for the return of information... I'm eagerly awaiting pictures of this car with its white top... I imagine it's boldly different and interesting and exploits an angle of Ferrari beauty we don't often see... Thank you for sharing...
     
  19. BigAl

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    I'll be curious to see that too

    is the interior color diff than "creama" or is that one in the same?
     
  20. BigTex

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    No I have creame...that's "bright white" baby!

    Sorry I didn't see the other thread in our Section, but I had no info......

    From the VIN number it's younger than mine by a little, titled as a 1978?
    Titled at ALL?? You know those attroneys.....

    That white exterior strip is VERY interesting thanks for posting...
     
  21. trashidelek!

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  22. BigAl

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    GEEZ! That IS diff! I didn't realize the louvers were white too.
     
  23. Lip Service

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    That is quite different. I think if the body were white instead of red it would look better, but that's just me.
     
  24. RBV24961

    RBV24961 Formula Junior

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    #24 RBV24961, Jun 9, 2006
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    Hello,

    As the owner of S/N 24961, I would like to extend my sincere appreciation to my friend Mark, NN, and all of you for providing some amazing information on my car which I may well not have known without the members of this great community.

    This is my first Ferrari, and I have dreamed of owning a Ferrari ever since I was ten years old when I was exposed to a 365GTB Daytona, as well as a 246 GT Dino, both owned by my Father's friend who actually started the Daytona causing me to jump into my Fathers arms in fear of my life. That was 29 years ago, and those memories are just as vivid as they were that very day.

    All I know is that I love my Ferrari, and dreams do come true.

    I have attached some photographs with the white roof attched.
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  25. BigAl

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    Congrats Brian and welcome aboard!
     

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