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Rush, the movie (with SPOILERS)

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  1. Gatorrari

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    To allow those of us who've seen the movie to discuss things that people who haven't seen the movie might not want to know about, I've started this thread. For reviews and other posts that don't involve "spoilers", please continue to add to the other thread. So,

    IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE YET, GO AWAY! YOU WON'T WANT TO SEE WHAT IS POSTED BELOW!
     
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    Considering how meticulous Ron Howard and crew were with their research, it bugs me that they couldn't get Lauda's helmet right.

    In 1975 he wore a round Bell Star like the one seen in the movie, but for 1976, he wore a custom AGV with added padding that is now considered to have been illegal. The larger size is considered a reason that it came off during his Nurburgring crash and made his burns (external & internal) that much more serious.

    Furthermore, I don't believe that his name never appeared on his visor in black letters as shown in the movie. Every photo that I've seen from 1975 or 1976 showed his name in red and on two rows between the "Marlboro"s, as can be seen in the first photo below.

    For 1977 he returned to the Bell Star, and at some name his name was replaced with his nickname "Super Rat" as can be seen in the second photo below.

    With as much care as was taken, I'm amazed that they couldn't get this little detail right.
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  3. ricksb

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    Regarding your question on the Koinigg/Cevert crash in the other thread, I think it was supposed to be Helmuth (even though the car looked like a Tyrrell). Firstly, Cevert's accident was in '73 at the Glen, but also Helmuth was decapitated at the Glen in '74. The crash depicted in the movie was of a driver going through the armco and being decapitated.

    I think they made little changes like that due to creative license, but like with the helmet, I don't quite understand why. I'll assume there were some legal restrictions governing the moves.
     
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    Several in-race inaccuracies, probably done on purpose for effect:

    1975 Watkins Glen - the dicing between Lauda and Hunt's Hesketh was entirely fictitious. Fittipaldi's McLaren was Lauda's main competition, and I don't believe that Emmo was ever in front. Hesketh was running their new-for-1976 car without the airbox, and James was an also-ran.

    1976 Nurburgring - Lauda made a terrible start from the front row, but in the movie he is shown in the lead at the point where Mass went by with his slick-tired McLaren. Niki was nowhere near the front when that happened.

    1976 Monza - Hunt is shown right up front after the start, but in fact he started from the back after the fuel in his car was declared after qualifying to have been illegal.

    Frankly, I don't think that the movie would have suffered that much if reality had been followed; what does anyone else think?
     
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    The role of the racing in the movie was such that giving an accurate account of events would not have changed it one bit. The story was more about Hunt/Lauda and their rivalry.
     
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    I think that I read somewhere that the crash was a composite of the two, and I don't believe that the driver's name was ever mentioned in the movie.

    Fortunately, the two most serious accidents that happened at the GPs that I attended were both - just - outside my field of vision. Those were Regazzoni's career-ending crash at the Queen's Hairpin at Long Beach in 1980, and Paletti's fatal start-line crash at Montreal in 1982. I hope I never see any others that serious.
     
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    Watched it last night with a group of tifosi (FCA-PR) thanks to Ferrari of San Francisco buying out the theater. It's a dramatization, not a documentary. It's meant to be entertaining, and it is. If you want to be picky about details, I'm sure that there are tons of inaccuracies. Any time you set a story in the past, you give yourself a challenge trying to film it in the present. I especially loved the scenes filmed driving in the street cars of that day and the way Ron Howard captured the essence of the period itself. Well done.
     
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    It's interesting that they completely omit Lauda's stint at March in 1972, but I guess that wasn't germane to the story.

    And Regazzoni's near-fatal crash at the start of the 1973 season is not shown at all, probably for the same reason.

    And they imply that Hesketh's first F1 car was their own, ignoring the fact that they ran a March (more successfully than the works team) in 1973.

    That's what happens when you've been a detail-conscious F1 fan for 46 years! But as I've said, these little failings did not in any way diminish my enjoyment of the movie.
     
  9. Doug3

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    I liked the movie, but would have liked more racing sequences. Both actors were superb.
    IMHO: Frankenheimer's "Grand Prix" was a more enjoyable film.

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    Doing a movie "based on actual events" is always risky, since getting everything exactly right can lead to a dull movie, while using too much artistic license can make the purists mad. Hitting the right balance is the key, and it's tough to do.

    Consider two movies made about the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor. "Tora! Tora! Tora", filmed in 1970 by both American and Japanese crews, is so accurate that it is close to being a true documentary rather than a docudrama, but there is little character development, and until the attack itself, becomes a bit tedious. Still, I like it a great deal because of its accuracy.

    On the other hand, "Pearl Harbor", made much more recently, adds a love story and a lot of extraneous b.s., and overuses CGI, making Zero fighters do things that would have been impossible or improbable in real life. The result is a mish-mosh that puts it among the worst movies I've ever seen.

    I think that Ron Howard struck a near-perfect balance in "Rush". That was probably important to make the film attractive to both racing fans and the general public, and I hope that bodes well for its box-office potential and its chances at Academy Award time. (I will admit, though, that purely as a "racing" movie, the relative lack of on-track footage probably places it behind "Grand Prix" and "Le Mans" as far as that goes, but in the big picture, unfortunately, we race fans don't count for much!)
     
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    Just as in Apollo 13 Ron Howard managed to tell a well known story and make it captivating.

    All nitpicking aside this is simply the best racing movie ever made. Just as Apollo 13 still is the best space movie of all times.

    Can't wait to get this on DVD and watch it over and over again.

    Also fab job by the German actors (the German was all real) and the make up artists.
     
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    I guess the Italians don't care much. Rush finished in second place in Italy's box office last week-- to The Smurfs.
     
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    I don't think it is doing well here either. In my movie theater there were maybe a dozen people. All of us middle aged, no young folks.

    Not that I care.
     
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    If I told my GF I wanted us to go see a movie about the lifestyles of two race car drivers from the 70's, one of whom was badly burnt in an accident, she would say I'm crazy.

    That's the problem. I can't see this attracting a wide audience.

    Do you know the production budget was only 35 million? That's really small by today's standards. The Butler costed the same to make.
     
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    I didn't know.

    As for your GF I think you can take her to the movie as it is a movie about two extraordinary men and what makes them tick. There is about as much of emotional drama as there is racing. I recommended it to my wife who really is not into racing (although she knows now quite a bit through osmosis).
     
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    What's with the "spoilers" crap??? We know how the 1976 F1 season ended!!! :p
     
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    There are lots of great scenes in the film which I don't know were real or made up but giving them away would be a spoiler.

    My fav scene: the ride in the Italian countryside and them trying to hitch hike
     
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    I was wondering how accurate the film actually depicted their rivalry-and at the end what appears to be respect and fondness for one another. I also found it uncanny how they got the resemblance to the actual physical appearances so close to reality. The overbite, and I did not hurt that James Hunt had movie star good looks to begin with. I found this-Lauda in his own words:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=O0O7viDuNZ4#t=0
     
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    No, I understand that. But imagine your average guy asking a girl out on a date. Pretty tough sell.
     
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    Blick's Benoit commented on it and stated that the rivalry part was overdone. He mentions how they played once Backgammon till 5am on qualifying day. Along with Bernie.

    That said I think the movie puts it all into perspective at the end of the movie.

    Agreed on the uncanny resemblance of the actors.
     
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    True dat.
     
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    Just saw it in a theater with small crowd but loved it. Three other people i saw it with liked it despite no interest in cars or racing. I was surprised lauda had such a big part. I expected it to be more of a swinging 70's with hunt story. Lauda was very sympathetic role and i found myself rooting for him. Was he a consultant on the film?

    Scene when he drives the 2 italian guys in their car was priceless. I really was able to understand the excitement they must have felt being with the ferrari driver. Hunt punching out the journalist was good too. The ending in the airport was very satisfying.

    Not sure how it stacks up vs le mans and gran prix. Lemans had best driving sequences but no story at all. Gran prix was bit soap opera. Rush skimped on driving. Time will tell
     
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