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Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

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  1. tifosi12

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    If there is that fear, he should stop immediately. Respect of the risks is ok, fear is not.
     
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  3. kes7u

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    Well, the good news is that with Stroll and Vettel at the helm, Ferrari needn't worry about AM in the Constructor's chase!

    Kevin

    Sent from my SM-G930P using FerrariChat.com mobile app
     
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  4. NeuroBeaker

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    Vettel was good with a blown diffuser. He seemed better able to trust that under full throttle prior to the apex, the car would indeed stick throughout the corner because the rear downforce would be there. In his Ferrari years, it seems like he expected the rear end to stick like his old Red Bull (under the previous regulations) did and that wasn't the case. He seems not to adapt well to a rear end that isn't completely planted and the Ferraris have looked difficult to drive for a while.

    As to the crashing, like running into Ocon... I don't think even Vettel knows what he was thinking there. Somehow he managed to blame Ocon (who was on the racing line and never deviated), but it was 100% Vettel's fault that they collided.

    All the best,
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  5. tbakowsky

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    Lance is the better driver. Gotta give the kid credit.
     
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  6. Bas

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    Sad to say for me as a Vettel fan. I do think he's a blisteringly fast driver, but it has to be the right car for him. A great driver can drive anything fast. I hope he can recover and beat Stroll for his own dignity.
     
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  8. tifosi12

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    Agreed on all.

    In addition I do think he lacks race craft. He was superfast in the RB and that often gave him pole so he didn't have to bother with car to car fights. In the Ferrari years he had to and often ended up with egg on his face.

    That said I think he can still do good things, even in the Aston Martin and the season only just started. I'm more worried about the car being able to deliver anything at all. Szafnauer just gave an interview saying they haven't abandoned 2021 yet. The fact that he seems it is necessary to say that after just one race raises doubts over the car. And if it turns out to be a step back from last year's car, a very disappointed Vettel might just throw in the towel.
     
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  9. william

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    The 2021 Aston is simply the 2020 Racing Point car (a copy of the 2019 Mercedes, we are told) with a different livery and just a few mods,

    In that case, can one assume that it could have been penned in 2018, which makes it a 4 years old design?

    Or is it stretching things too far?
     
  10. furoni

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    SEb has amazing racecraft, he pulles some amazing moves in 2015, and showed Elton how to drive in the rain back in 2008, Seb is the whole package, but for some reason, he lost it, i saw it happened before, to Alboreto for example, in 85 he was every bit as good as Prost, and shoul have won the championship, but after that, he never looked the same, like Arnoux, blindingly fast at Renault and in 83 at Ferrari, after that he was a shadow of his former self, i don't know why, but i this something changes inside their heads, even Kimi, he was already slower in 2007 than he had been at mclaren, and he kept losing speed, bit by bit...He's still very good, but far, far from his best days.
     
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  11. paulchua

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    I don't know much about Stroll other than he was born a few feet from home plate. That said, can't blame him for his station of birth (good or bad) - so far I have not seen any spoiled kid behavior, but as I said, I don't know much about him.

    Are there any character reasons for the disdain?
     
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  13. paulchua

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    I jumped in when Seb came from RB to Ferrari. The reason foremost of my anger is when he started blaming everything but himself. To me, that's a big no-no.

    The tipping point was when he rammed into Hamilton in Baku,

    From that point forward, nessun rispetto.

    He lost his mojo, simple as that. He can only look to himself (not Lecler not SF) to answer why?

    SF lIterally gave him a car that was cheating modified and he still couldn't pull it off.
     
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  14. tifosi12

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    Not really. I "met" him once at COTA. Pretty normal "kid". Except that he is super rich and drives F1 :)

    Some people don't support him because they think he was gifted his F1 seat. While technically there is some truth to that, the guy first had to prove himself by winning in lower formulae to get a super license. Furthermore many of the current and previous drivers had to buy their way into F1. And while he is probably never going to win a WDC he has improved over the years and his results show it.
     
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  15. tifosi12

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    Agreed. I was a big Seb fan at RB but his peak was his 4th title. Thereafter the decline started and at a rapid pace. Baku was ridiculous as was Montreal at the end of the race. For somebody so smart (I rate him higher than many other drivers) he shows some immature moments not behooving a multiple WDC.
     
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    During his career the car he sits in has improved (Williams-->RP-->TP), but not his driving. He has always been a good starter, I'll grant him that. Otherwise his racing skills are still non-existent, as is his overall driving. Even when presented with an easy DRS pass he always looks out of control in the braking zone and through the turn. On-boards always show very twitchy hands. Not impressed given his growing time in F1.
     
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    His attempted pass on Norris last season at Portugal was utter amateur. See Norris' view on this in the press. See Ricci view on his very sad attempted pass in Austria last year. His peers dont see skill............................
     
  19. paulchua

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    Thank you, sir, for your response.

    I grew up poor, I get it, and I had seen my share of privileged folks get advantageous. However, I hold it against the rich as long nothing from illegal. I think Stroll seems to work hard, though, and he doesn't seem like he's a jerk. That's good enough for me!

    :)
     
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    It's very odd to see somebody fall so far. From 4-time world champion to crashing all the time. I don't understand.
     
  21. Metastable

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    Imola FP2 was interesting.
    Bottas ahead of Hamilton
    Sainz ahead of Leclerc
    Stroll ahead of Vettel
    Latifi ahead of Russell
     
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  22. tifosi12

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    Stroll beats Vettel again in qualifying.

    No Mazepin intervention this time. Simply based on speed.
     
  23. pilotoCS

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    "Stroll beats Vettel again in qualifying."

    Get used to it.
     
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    Well I hope so, but I'm not sure. This time they were fairly evenly matched. Stroll kept the upper hand, but only by a couple of tenths. As Seb gets more comfortable in the car he might turn things around. Should be an interesting back and forth as the season progresses.
     
  25. pilotoCS

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    I disagree. It may say Aston Martin on the car but the reality is it's the Stroll Racing team. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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  26. tifosi12

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    Yeah, so?

    The team isn't artificially slowing down Seb. Or they would have done it last year with Perez.
     
  27. DF1

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    Reports were Lance was given updates first, parts etc. I am not surprised by this. In reality Vettel is a guest. Useful until he is not. Its a total family project. The expendable Sergio has much to say about this.

    Vettel complained about his release from Ferrari. The release of Sergio was probably less polite overall.

    Vettel was slower. Lance was a touch faster. In the race we expect Vettel experience to assist him. Its much harder when you are P13. The fear was always how Stroll might be faster than Vettel. The real story is how much faster Perez was. Now can actually show it. Vettel is now a distraction in F1 and Aston.
     
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  28. tifosi12

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    Once again a solid performance who kept his wheels on the tarmac, unlike many others in the challenging conditions of Imola. And he passed a few cars including Bottas. Had his team mate under control during the whole race.

    7th place despite break problems at the beginning and shift issues towards the end. Very well done and more WDC points garnered.
     
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