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RM Auctions: Ferrari 275 GTB/C #09027 - Lord Laidlaw Collection.

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  1. miurasv

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    How much money?
     
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    Correct.
    Money is not the issue, finding the correct mould is more difficult.
    When you have an all original car, it pretty easy to make one, but many moulds are incorrect (made from cars that were already incorrect)
    When stripping the paint one could see if there are any original panels on this particular car.
    If all or most of it is non factory original, you can do a complete rebody in the correct thickness of sheet metal.
     
  3. BIRA

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    This is not an original body in any case..
     
  4. BIRA

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    No one seem to be able to indicate if any part of the current body on this car is original or as a consequence of the accidents, a whole new body was constructed for this car at some point.
     
  5. miurasv

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    Yes, I've read that it's been rebodied twice. However, see the following from RM's description:

    "The car offered, despite its intense racing life, retains most of its original components, such as its Le Mans engine (number 0014), its original magnesium-cased transaxle (number 672), and its original body shell (number B5), but parts of the aluminium outer skin have been necessarily replaced after the occurrence of hard-fought racing injuries over the years."
     
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    The ex Le Mans car was completely destroyed by fire. I have seen the photos. For a 'normal' car the insurance company would say: total loss. Not to be rebuild.
    But hey this is a Ferrari and not a Ford F150
     
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    One photo I think can be found on the WWW. I have seen many many more photos.

    Not all info is correct or complete what an auction house is writing in their catalogues...you need to ask for more info and do your homework.
     
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    #33 miurasv, Aug 20, 2013
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    09079.
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    Finding the correct mould may be difficult but money is always an issue. In saying that rebodying a car is pretty easy to make if you have an original car to copy, do you mean that the cost would not be that great? I'd still like to know how much it would cost to make, install and paint a correct aluminium body in the traditional hammered way.
     
  10. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    They are also quite open and honest regarding the provenance of the other consignments including the Tipo 61 Birdcage, stating that it has had a replacement chassis. Quite refreshing that an auction company doesnt try to fudge.
     
  11. miurasv

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    Yes, I agree and have commented on that very fact about their full disclosure regarding the Tipo 61 previously.
     
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    Correct. Not even 1%.

    But for the car we are discussing there is extensive documentation covering the old repairs. Anyone seriously interested to buy can do a due diligence with RM.
     
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    Still a great car and agreed re: due dilligence.
     
  14. DWR46

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    For a correct 275 GTB/C body, find photos of 9041 taken before 1992. I owned the car in the 1977-92 time period and the bodywork was 100% original.
     
  15. Marcel Massini

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    #40 Marcel Massini, Aug 20, 2013
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    Following the fire in a CA warehouse (photo #2 in post 33, taken at Mike Sheehan's European Auto Restoration in Costa Mesa, CA) 09079 was completely rebodied in Italy with a brand new body by Carrozzeria Egidio Brandoli in Montale (that's between Modena and Maranello) for then owner Zambelli in Bologna.
    09079 is now owned by two partners in Oregon, USA, since March 2013, and it is currently going thru the factory certification process.

    Marcel Massini
     
  16. James_Woods

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    Either that or the trailing edge of the rear glass hangs too high.

    The hunchback of Modena.

    Uglyfied something which we thought could never have been made ugly.
     
  17. miurasv

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    Thank you, Marcel. The body on 09079 should be as original then. See and read the very interesting information on the Brandoli's web site here: http://www.brandoli.it/home.php
     
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    #43 miurasv, Aug 20, 2013
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    From what I can gather 09027 had bodywork at Scaglietti on a couple of occasions after being damaged in battle and an accident being transported; minor bodywork at Maranello Concessionaires; major bodywork, not at Ferrari, in the UK in 1975; coachwork at Allegretti in 1985 though it's not stated the extent of their work. You'd have thought that Allegretti would have corrected any inaccuracies then but they may have just been instructed to paint it with no bodywork done; then to a Swiss company where it did have corrections including to the rear. Was this the last place it received bodywork? This is such a great and desirable car that it deserves to go to Classiche, Brandoli or back to Allegretti for it to be returned to original form. I'm quite surprised it didn't do so before now given the calibre of its previous owners.
     
  19. Marcel Massini

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    It was at Carrosserie Binggeli in Nyon, Switzerland. When Jean Pierre Slavic owned 09027.
    Allegretti has nothing to do with this and is merely a replica builder, not a professional Ferrari restorer. I would NEVER EVER have Ferrari bodywork restored by Allegretti.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    Isn't Allegretti ex Ferrari? Is it the case that there are very few traditional Italian body restorers that have the ability to accurately restore/manufacture Ferrari bodies to the standard that Brandoli can, and to the high standard deserving of Ferrari? I don't seem to hear of anyone recommending any other houses, which doesn't mean there aren't any of course.
     
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    I think Tom knows a decent body shop ;) But he's not Italian, so does that count?
     
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    Peter are you speaking of Tom Shaughnessini?
    100% Italian.
     
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    :)

    Actually I was refering to another Tom, who posted in this thread.
     
  24. miurasv

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    Of course. It's always good to know where to find genuine, competent craftsmen. They are few and far between in my experience.
     
  25. Marcel Massini

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    Allegretti is ex Piero Drogo Sport Cars Modena. Allegretti was mostly involved in replica construction. Also built toy cars, various scales.
    Egidio Brandoli, father, used to work for Carrozzeria Scaglietti from 1960 to the mid-70s and built SWBs, Lussos, 275 GTBs and Daytonas. Later set up his own shop which today is in Montale.
    I can also recommend Dino Cognolato in Vigonza near Padova.

    Marcel Massini
     
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